Naked & Afraid Beekeeping

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping

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presented by our great friends and partners in

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beekeeping, Man Lake. Today we have two famous

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guests joining us. They're not only excellent

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beekeepers but have also starred in Discovery

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Channel's Naked and Afraid TV show. We'll discuss

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their custom bee hut, their bees 100 % winter

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survival rate, and a whole ton more. But first,

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have you seen this new scientific study that

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gives us more insights into how queen bees are

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actually made? Nature Magazine and Science News

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report on a new study that shows a queen bee

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may be shaped by more than just its famous royal

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jelly diet. The wax of the peanut -shaped chamber

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where the queen develops does more than just

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look different. It has distinct physical and

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chemical properties that help steer its development.

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By analyzing the chamber's composition and the

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larvae it harbors, the research team challenges

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the long -held notion that royal jelly alone

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makes a queen. Boris Baer and his colleagues

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at UC Riverside studied honey bees comparing

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queen and worker cell wax, the workers that build

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the cells, and how larvae fare in each wax environment.

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The finding came as a surprise, Baer says. The

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royal nurses building royal cribs for the future

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queens spend longer than worker cell builders

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constructing these cells They run hotter than

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other bees and they show distinct patterns of

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gene activity, suggesting they are specially

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adapted to modify the wax they work with. The

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first clues came with the wax. Analysis showed

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that queen cell wax is softer, less dense, and

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chemically distinct from worker cell wax. Everything

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was supporting the same conclusion, Bear says.

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Bees do more than feed the queen, they actively

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engineer her. Personally, I have always wondered

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how colonies decide which bees will serve in

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different roles. Everything from nurse bees to

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undertakers to wax and propolis makers, guard

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bees, foragers, etc. According to Bayer, these

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super -organisms mobilize specialized workers

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that collectively shape the next generation.

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The division of labor in bees might be much more

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complex than we have acknowledged so far. Wow,

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another great example of the more you learn the

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more you realize you don't know Like I always

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say bees are simply amazing I'd like to welcome

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to the show today two very special and semi no

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more than semi famous guests Tara and Darren

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and that's Darren ray and Tara Scoob Ella. Did

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I do okay? Yeah Yeah, okay good in case you recognize

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these two but are not sure where to place them

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Imagine if they had dirt all over their faces

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and they look like they had lost a bunch of weight

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And then the camera was blurring out body parts.

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That's where you'd probably know them from right

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guys Yep, absolutely But I was never afraid never

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afraid Yeah, I don't get where that part of the

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title comes from and naked and afraid. The people

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never look afraid to me. They look cold. They

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actually got the title from the book of Genesis,

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the line, and they were naked and afraid. So

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it's a biblical show. Well, no, a producer was

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in a hotel on the toilet and the only thing to

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read was Gideon's Bible. And that's the page

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he opened it to and came up with the idea is

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the story I heard from one of the executive producers.

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Believe it. I believe it. We're gonna stick with

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that. Yeah, but today we're talking about beekeeping

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because both you guys are beekeepers I think

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let's just jump in first One of the things that

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interested me about what you guys do is your

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bee hut So who can explain that first of all

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and if you send me some pictures, we'll stick

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them up with the video version of this But tell

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me about the bee hut. It's called an apotherapy

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hut And bees communicate with pheromones, and

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so they're always releasing all these amazing

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pheromones. And they also vibrate at very certain

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frequencies that have been proven scientifically

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to be healing frequencies. And people a long

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time ago noticed that beekeepers would live longer

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in their respective communities than other people,

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and were healthier. I mean, this has been noticed

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for... hundreds if not thousands of years. I

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mean beekeeping goes way back. Egyptians kept

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bees, the Vikings kept bees, the Sumerians kept

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bees, Aztecs, the Mayans, the Incans, like cultures

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all around the world have been beekeepers. And

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this is something that's been noticed throughout

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history. And so that Hutt hones in on bringing

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the general public to be able to safely experience

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and Use those vibrations and pheromones for healing.

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You're sitting on four beehives, but you're double

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screened so the bees can't get to you, but you

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still get all the noise and the vibrations and

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all the pheromones have leached in and at this

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point they've saturated the wood that I built

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the hut with. I used untreated aspen wood. It's

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very neutral and it would absorb all those pheromones

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and smells and then It's a kind of like a time

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release. Even in the winter when the bees aren't

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active, it's almost as potent as it is in the

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middle of the summer now. Well, and we don't

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very often talk about all those things you just

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mentioned, which is the vibration, the pheromones.

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And one thing that I noticed when I was at Epimondia

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last fall was there were a couple of companies

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selling gadgets, for lack of a better term, that

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help you breathe bee air. Tell us about bee error,

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Tara. Sure. So the aromas of bees, you can use

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those gadgets, but we think, well, why not also

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have the benefits of the vibrations as well?

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So a more of immersion experience instead of

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just using a breathing apparatus. And so the

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aromas and the pheromones of the bees really

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help with lung supports too. So asthma. Here

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living in Colorado and in other places where

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there's a lot of wildland firefighters and the

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quality of the air, even if you live in a city,

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can really be compromising to the body. And so

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breathing with the bees really helps with the

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tissue repair of the lungs. So you have people

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come in from all over and do retreats or just

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spend time in the bee hut. What do they find

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about it? What do they tell you as their reactions?

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Yeah, so we've been keeping track of different

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feedback and success stories. One person last

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year who came to sit with the bees in a retreat

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came initially for a grieving and loss period

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of the death of her husband. And her friends

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in Europe said, well, here, if something traumatic

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happens in your life, you just go sit with the

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bees. And this is more Northern Europe and so

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she began to look and she found us not only did

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it help her with her grief and loss of her husband

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because the frequency of the bees also attuned

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to the heart space. Then she also found an unexpected

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benefit so she was experiencing chronic inflammation

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and pain for two years and woke up every single

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day in pain. And after she sat with the bees

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for that period, and then she came back again,

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um, and sat with the bees again, not as long,

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but I think for like a day, day and a half, then

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her, her pain subsided. And for, I think even

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still to this day, within a six month period,

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she only had one or two flare -ups. That's really

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cool. Pretty awesome and amazing. Yeah. As people

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can tell from my voice, I've been under the weather

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the last few days, getting better now. And I'm

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thinking I'm going to lift a lid on a hive this

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afternoon. Just go stick my face in for about

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a half an hour and just breathe it. I'm glad

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you reminded me to do that. I had not done that

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yet. So, Darren, tell me about the be hive set

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up in the hut. The four main hives are on big

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heavy duty slide out drawers that you actually

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access from the exterior of the hive. And they're

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just your normal Langstroth. 10 frame hives then

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there's just doors that I keep screwed shut just

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so no one can access them but they lift up out

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of the way and then the hives slide out on big

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heavy -duty drawers just something I built I

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work construction and I'm a fabricator and so

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I just wanted to be easy to access to work with

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the bees and if I got a swap out components it's

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instant no specialty gear if something happens

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with one of the hives if a mold gets in it or

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a hive gets a disease I can very easily swap

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that out is kind of was the design to that but

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then we also have a observation wall hive in

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there that is a 36 frame six frames high six

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frames deep observation hive that's a four foot

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glass cased front that you also access from the

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outside you can lift a blanket up and observe

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all the bees coming and going and doing all their

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things through a glass too so you're not just

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you can see because we're visual people we need

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visual stimulus as well and so that was my reasoning

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behind that was it kind of came from a science

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teacher when i was in seventh grade had one and

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i got to see it and i've wanted one ever since

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And I've seen other bee huts and yours is the

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first one that's had an observation hive Inside

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I need to see more pictures of yours, but that's

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that totally makes sense You know using all your

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senses that way. Yeah, and it's just interesting.

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I mean even as a beekeeper You don't get to actually

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see them doing what they do Undisturbed because

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they're completely undisturbed when you're watching

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it's not like you've cracked the lid and Smoked

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them out or something. They're just Doing their

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thing normally and as a beekeeper, it's interesting

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for me just to watch them do that All right.

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Let's talk about some of the other things you

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do because You've taken this and turned it into

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a business in a bunch of different directions

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Tara give us a little more idea about your background

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and all the different things that you do I think

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I'll start in the recent 10 years Yeah, so about

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10 years ago with my background in wilderness

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therapy, even a little bit of social services

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and running a variety of nonprofits, Earth Tantra

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was born and that is actually a result of my

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naked and afraid experience. And so I became

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trained in Earth -based Tantra. breath work.

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I also have a death doula certification and integral

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relationship certification and yoga certification

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and others. So I've done a lot of studying and

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like overall wellness and energy work. And so

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through that here at the farm, I offer group

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retreats and also private one -on -one retreats.

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And also the the bee retreat. So all the retreats

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I offer aren't necessarily focused on the bees,

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but we do offer bee -specific retreats. And I

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teach people breathwork and how to exchange not

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only just sit in the hut of breathing in naturally

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and maybe reading a book, but how to connect

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and become intimate with the essence of the bees

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through different breathwork and energy exchange

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practices. What is the earth tantra that you

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mentioned? Yes, so Earth Tantra is the name of

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my business, established in 2016, so for 10 years.

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And kind of our tagline is, heal with nature

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and transform with Tantra. Sometimes when people

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hear the word Tantra, they think sex -based.

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That's not necessarily the case for Earth Tantra.

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It's energy exchange with nature, with the Earth.

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This morning, Darren, it took you a couple of

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minutes to get in because I was told you had

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to be emergency. What was that? Well, I wouldn't

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say an emergency. The wall hive, which is the

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only hive, I only get into it like twice a year.

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Just because it's screwed shut and it's complicated

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to get into. I do manage it and get in there.

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Do I put in oxalic mite strips and I still fully

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believe in treating for mites on all my hives?

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proactively not retroactively and So it was time

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to replace the mite strips in there anyways,

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but this morning they were Breeding outside of

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the hive, you know, like the whole entrance to

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the hive was covered in bees I just wanted to

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get in and make sure they weren't getting ready

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to swarm. I mean it's 36 frame hive There could

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be multiple laying queens in a wall cavity. You

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just never know. So I got in and I pulled out

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the bottom four rows of frames, and there was

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no queen cells. I just wanted to make sure because

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if there was queen cells then I would split the

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hive. It's not necessarily needs to be split

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right now, but I just wanted to make sure they

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weren't getting ready to swarm. Yeah. So. And

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you have other hives in addition to this, the

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ones in the bee hut, right? Yeah. 11 or 12 hives

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total. 13? Maybe 13. Depends on the day. That's

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typical for beekeepers. I try to keep 12 hives.

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I try to keep a dozen hives. Okay. How long have

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you been doing it? First got into it about 17,

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18 years ago. And that was a short -lived like

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one -year experiment. I was a rock climbing guide

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and I just wasn't around to work with the bees.

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So that hive went away and then now I'm... slow

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down and got this property and so I got back

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into the bees. Tell us a little bit more about

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where you live because we all know beekeeping

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is all local and different environments need

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different things. So what elevation are you at?

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You mentioned Colorado. So we're I think 4 ,600

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feet here, 4 ,500 feet and we're in way western

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Colorado. basically have the same climate as

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Moab, Utah. Like we're on the edge of the desert.

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It is high arid, high desert here. But mountains

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close by so we can get crazy cold snaps on a

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whim. And we can have 75, 80 degree days in January

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sometimes. You know, days hitting the high 50s

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and 60s are normal in the middle of winter here.

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So a lot of people set up for winter and here

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we have summer and winter for Sometimes half

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the winter. And then our summers are two months

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straight of 100 degree days. And then a month

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on either side of that of 90 degree days. What

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have you found are some of the secrets to working

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within those parameters? Because the bees, they

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can get a little confused with that. In the winter,

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I feed externally, a ways away from my hives.

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Like I don't put out feeders near my hives. but

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I want the bees that are going out to look for

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something to be able to find water and food and

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on the active days I put up sugar water in bucket

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feeders and then I keep a heated water bowl out

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for the chickens anyways and I just have a board

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that floats on top of that water bowl and all

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the bees that need water in the winter go land

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on it they get their water and they go back to

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the hive and then I also do insulated condensing

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hives And since I started insulating the hives,

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got proactive with my mite treatments, I have

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yet to lose a hive. I've had 100 percent success

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right now, three winters in a row. We're going

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to have somebody on the show in the next couple

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of weeks talking about condensing hives. But

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give people just an overall view. What does that

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mean and in general, how does it work? So some

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people ventilate their hives to remove excess

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moisture because bees breathe and they're eating

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honey and they're releasing water vapor. through

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their natural processes and that water can either

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be ventilated out or you can design the hive

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so it condenses on the walls because if water

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condenses above the bees and drips on them then

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they will die. It's not warm enough to dry off

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and it kills them. So I give my hives an R40

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lid and R10 walls in the winter and I use HVAC

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foil tape to Seal that insulation up. It's hard

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foam insulation. It's fully sealed I then wrap

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the bubble wrap and then has a giant lid that

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slides over most of the hive to protect it Quick

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research and looking at some stuff But because

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of our wild temperature swings a cloud can roll

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in front of the Sun in the winter and it can

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go from 60 to 15 degrees in minutes it's crazy

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how that happens here in the desert and I Didn't

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want my bees to be thermally shot. And so that

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insulation also gives them a tapered buffer zone

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They're retaining their heat. They're heating

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up slower and they're cooling down slower And

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it just protects the nucleus of the hive all

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winter long, in my opinion. I'm glad you mentioned

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the differences in R values. So for those that

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didn't catch that, that was in a really important

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point. That you have a much higher R value on

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the roof than you do on the walls. And can you

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explain the reason for that again? Nature. Bees

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in nature are looking for hollows and cavities

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and crevices to nest in and a hollowed out tree

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Could have infinite wood above it and only you

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know four or five inches of wood on the sides

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So that top is gonna stay warm While the sides

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get cold and water vapor will condense on that

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cold surface which keeps the water Condensing

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to the outside of the hive and not above the

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hive same thing in as a rock climber former rock

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climber I found lots of wild bee colonies up

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in crevices and rocks You know on the cliff faces

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and they would always be back in a crevice But

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with a ledge and they'd be hanging off a solid

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rock and even the winter those hives would have

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open ventilating air around their sides but yet

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they still survived and I think it was because

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of that heat that they could build against that

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infinite insulated ceiling. That was just observations

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I made not as a beekeeper but just from being

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a naturalist. In that condensation here's my

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understanding and I'm not a thermodynamic professor

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or anything like that. My understanding is if

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you have the same R value all the way around

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and on the lid Then the condensation is most

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likely to happen up top and that's when we talk

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about it dropping down on the bees We do not

00:22:00.309 --> 00:22:04.049
want wet bees Condensation on the walls is a

00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:07.750
good thing it's not running down on top of the

00:22:07.750 --> 00:22:11.230
bees and They can go to that and drink that when

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they're all cooped up in the winter That's a

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special note for people in cold climates to think

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about where you have how much our value and one

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thing with the insulated hives My bees swarm

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sometimes a month earlier than other beekeepers

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in the area's hives. And I think it's because

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they're coming through the winter with such better

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numbers. They're having a higher survival rate

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and they're coming through the winter healthier.

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So it is a little more work as the beekeeper

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because you got to be ready earlier in the season.

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You can't go by the clues that other beekeepers

00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:46.660
in your area are talking about. You got to get

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in there and be proactive. It's making my bees

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survive that much better. i'm coming through

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with almost zero winter loss in some of my hives

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in the spring that's amazing and by the way you

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mentioned in such a casual way that in rock climbing

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some of the crevices had bees inside them i think

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that'd make for a very exciting day not in a

00:23:07.289 --> 00:23:10.789
good way oh i have jumped off of cliffs before

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because i have had bees blow out in my face like

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literally just you just let go or start down

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climbing and get to your last piece and set up

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an anchor and you just go down and call it a

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day. All right Tara we're not forgetting about

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you. Tell us more about apotherapy and what ways

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are you involved with it? I think I like to think

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of myself as more of the bee alchemist with the

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chemistry and working with the energy of the

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bees and Building a relationship with the bees,

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I think, is a really important aspect of not

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only for myself, but also teaching other people

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and befriending the bees, supporting people,

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helping people look toward nature and expanding

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their their wellnesses versus an object or a

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thing that you can buy from the store. Why not

00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:11.779
sit with nature? And when Darren mentioned the

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rocks, we can observe bees in nature, but why

00:24:15.579 --> 00:24:18.980
not sit in a place where you're protected, where

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you're safe? where you can build a relationship

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with the bees. Some people, and I've experienced

00:24:24.809 --> 00:24:27.509
this too, right? Each hive has its own frequency,

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its own smell, its own characteristics. Personality.

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Personality, exactly. And it's a really unique

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experience to be able to lay on a bed above these

00:24:39.109 --> 00:24:43.579
hives and connect with each hive. even down to

00:24:43.579 --> 00:24:47.660
like single individual bees, maybe that pulse

00:24:47.660 --> 00:24:50.180
and frequency of the hive if you're a very highly

00:24:50.180 --> 00:24:53.500
sensitive person and can tune into that. And

00:24:53.500 --> 00:24:56.380
then taking that energy and also bringing it

00:24:56.380 --> 00:24:59.920
within and feeling how the frequencies impact

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our body, even down to a cellular level. So there's

00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:07.799
many layers of bee medicine. Yeah, and the whole

00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:10.279
relationship thing we don't talk about in beekeeping.

00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.799
We talk about Varroa. We talk about all the nuts

00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:16.559
and bolts. Tell me more about your relationship

00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:20.460
with the bees. Darren or I or both. I don't care.

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Both of you. I think I'll start what I just shared,

00:25:24.640 --> 00:25:28.220
but also for me, it's a really personal relationship.

00:25:28.509 --> 00:25:31.029
Some of my ancestors are from the island of Crete,

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which is actually closer to Egypt, which Darren

00:25:33.869 --> 00:25:36.910
talked about beekeeping in Egypt, and a lot of

00:25:36.910 --> 00:25:40.329
knowledge was shared. And I really feel in my

00:25:40.329 --> 00:25:42.930
lineage on that side of the family at some point

00:25:42.930 --> 00:25:46.089
had a really special relationship with bees.

00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:50.680
And when I filmed the television show Naked and

00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.380
Afraid, before I started filming, the crew was

00:25:53.380 --> 00:25:56.099
attacked by killer bees. And it's one of the

00:25:56.099 --> 00:25:59.740
most dangerous situations today in the filming.

00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:04.019
So I feel my personal relationship with bees

00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:07.000
also stems from my past, whether it's past in

00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.359
this life and also my ancestors. And I even wear

00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:14.509
a... bee pendant, which is the symbol of the

00:26:14.509 --> 00:26:17.049
island of Crete in Greece. And it's two bees

00:26:17.049 --> 00:26:20.549
coming together with droplets coming down. And

00:26:20.549 --> 00:26:23.250
the original is solid gold. This is not. And

00:26:23.250 --> 00:26:26.450
so I wear this in honor of my ancestors every

00:26:26.450 --> 00:26:29.589
day now for over two years. How about you, Darren?

00:26:29.630 --> 00:26:32.009
Do you have a relationship to or you just pounded

00:26:32.009 --> 00:26:35.529
out beekeeper? I mean, I'm I'm a naturalist.

00:26:35.569 --> 00:26:39.289
I have been a nature nerd my entire life, like

00:26:39.369 --> 00:26:41.670
Easiest way to distract me was to have a new

00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:44.490
bug walk by And I just follow it and see what

00:26:44.490 --> 00:26:47.650
it did as a little kid like I was all I did catching

00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:52.289
snakes looking at bugs just seeing nature and

00:26:52.289 --> 00:26:54.109
that's one of the things with like naked and

00:26:54.109 --> 00:26:58.930
afraid is I study ecosystems and how they interact

00:26:58.930 --> 00:27:03.730
and All pollinators are such vital parts of our

00:27:03.730 --> 00:27:05.650
ecosystem. You know, I also have built a lot

00:27:05.650 --> 00:27:09.309
of property or a lot of habitat on our property

00:27:09.309 --> 00:27:13.910
for native bees and native pollinators, not just

00:27:13.910 --> 00:27:16.730
my honeybees. I plant flowers that honeybees

00:27:16.730 --> 00:27:19.109
don't even go to, but a lot of the native bees

00:27:19.109 --> 00:27:21.730
do. A lot of the native wild desert flowers,

00:27:22.369 --> 00:27:24.210
I collect seeds out in the desert and I bring

00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:26.890
them here and I get them growing in clusters

00:27:26.890 --> 00:27:30.670
for the native stuff. My relationship is kind

00:27:30.670 --> 00:27:33.130
of on that level with the bees. And then also

00:27:33.130 --> 00:27:35.049
I'm the one that does the physical work with

00:27:35.049 --> 00:27:36.950
the bees. I'm the one in the hives doing the

00:27:36.950 --> 00:27:39.029
work. You mentioned their personalities. You

00:27:39.029 --> 00:27:41.650
know, I've got a couple hives that I would get

00:27:41.650 --> 00:27:43.789
into without a suit on, no problem. And then

00:27:43.789 --> 00:27:46.950
I've got one hive in particular that I don't

00:27:46.950 --> 00:27:49.230
even feel safe in the suit with them sometimes.

00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:52.990
They're so prone to just exploding out in anger.

00:27:53.230 --> 00:27:57.180
And it's funny, but that hive is also my It produces

00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:59.299
twice as much honey as any other hive I have

00:27:59.299 --> 00:28:03.960
so I'm like Good and bad. I mean, they're just

00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.420
busy busy active bees I've heard that a lot and

00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:12.279
it seems like the common Thought pattern and

00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:14.440
beekeepers is if you have a hot hive you just

00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.460
go automatically requeen that thing But there

00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:19.920
are some benefits, you know in a year or two,

00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.960
they'll requeen themselves Yeah, that queen might

00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.170
get that aggressive trait might not I don't requeen

00:28:26.170 --> 00:28:29.490
unless I have to. I'm the same way. I just can't

00:28:29.490 --> 00:28:31.970
do it. But I'm not a commercial beekeeper. I

00:28:31.970 --> 00:28:34.250
understand why some people really need to. I

00:28:34.250 --> 00:28:38.650
mean, I requeen when a queen is nearing her end

00:28:38.650 --> 00:28:41.710
of cycle. If they're just not building population,

00:28:41.809 --> 00:28:46.130
then I will check for diseases. I do a mite wash.

00:28:46.849 --> 00:28:50.109
And if it's not anything that I can find, then

00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.769
I will figure it's a lane issue with the queen.

00:28:52.890 --> 00:28:54.980
And then I will requeen. Oh, I had a friend on

00:28:54.980 --> 00:28:57.619
the podcast last year that was talking about

00:28:57.619 --> 00:29:01.920
he was the same way. He's like I just can't squish

00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:06.420
queen And he's actually set up like this queen

00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:10.539
bee retirement home And he has figured out how

00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:14.779
to have a box with little separators And so that

00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:18.220
he can have multiple old queens live out their

00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:22.180
life And it's cute. I think it's good fun. That's

00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:24.650
great I give everybody that comes on the show

00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:28.470
an opportunity to tell their favorite or a couple

00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:31.609
of their favorite wild and crazy beekeeping stories.

00:29:32.029 --> 00:29:34.930
Either of you have one? So my introduction to

00:29:34.930 --> 00:29:39.029
beekeeping was catching a swarm in Palisade,

00:29:39.029 --> 00:29:42.650
Colorado and there's a church that has a giant

00:29:42.650 --> 00:29:46.869
wild hive in their bell tower and that hive is

00:29:46.869 --> 00:29:49.509
known to sometimes go into the church and sting

00:29:49.509 --> 00:29:53.450
people and swarm inside and it spit it's a big

00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:57.069
hive and it spits out lots of swarms and Someone

00:29:57.069 --> 00:29:59.130
called a friend of mine that had a couple hives

00:29:59.130 --> 00:30:00.869
and said hey there's a swarm in the tree in front

00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:03.769
of the church and We went there and it was way

00:30:03.769 --> 00:30:07.130
up in a tree and we parked my Toyota underneath

00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.730
that boards across the bed a stepladder on top

00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:15.720
of the boards and I'm up there with just a mask

00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:19.119
on, holding a box above my head while my friends

00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:21.759
in the truck with a stick trying to balance the

00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.200
ladder with one hand and shake the bees into

00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.039
the box for me with the other. While that's going

00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.380
on, these two boys, like 10 year olds, come riding

00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:33.160
up on their bikes and they're like, hey, what

00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:34.799
are you guys doing? And then one of the kids

00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:39.920
goes, bees! And he just booked it as fast as

00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.960
he could on his bike and his friend looked up

00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.359
and Let's add a word that his mom would have

00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.960
been happy about and follows his buddy as fast

00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:52.700
as he can and I got stung probably 15 times that

00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:55.539
day from that swarm and that was my first hive

00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:58.359
and to this day it was still the most aggressive

00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:02.039
hive I've ever had and I mean we don't have Africanized

00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.759
bees here, but you didn't go near that hive without

00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:09.519
a suit once I got it set it was explosive at

00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:13.700
all times And you risk your life to save that

00:31:13.700 --> 00:31:17.279
thing. Yep. So they they owe you. Tara, have

00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:20.900
you had any unusual experiences with bees? Maybe

00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:24.680
not unusual. I mean, catching my first swarms

00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:26.819
are always really exciting. You know, if you're

00:31:26.819 --> 00:31:28.960
doing it with your hands and the vibration and

00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.700
the air moving in between your eyes and the bees,

00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:35.599
that frequency is pretty intoxicating, I'll say.

00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.579
But maybe I'll share an indirect story while

00:31:38.579 --> 00:31:41.460
I was preparing to film Naked and Afraid and

00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:43.859
I was waiting for the start date. There was a

00:31:43.859 --> 00:31:46.160
really weird day that was all like hush hush

00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.680
and I was sequestered even more before we filmed

00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.660
all day and I wasn't told why. And then they

00:31:53.660 --> 00:31:56.559
finally let me out of this holding room and it

00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.329
looked like. something really bad had happened

00:31:59.329 --> 00:32:02.849
and there was like wet clothing all over the

00:32:02.849 --> 00:32:06.329
resort, cameras in gear, there was not a single

00:32:06.329 --> 00:32:10.250
person around. And it was this really eerie feeling

00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:13.190
as they walked me through this disaster zone

00:32:13.190 --> 00:32:16.869
to my room. It was real hush hush. And then later

00:32:16.869 --> 00:32:20.069
on that day, the producer came to me and told

00:32:20.069 --> 00:32:22.630
me that the production crew was attacked by the

00:32:22.630 --> 00:32:26.200
Africanized killer bees. And she asked me, do

00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:29.660
you want to stay and film because they're in

00:32:29.660 --> 00:32:32.920
the area or not? Because if you don't, that's

00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:34.819
fine. We'll fly you home and we'll find somebody

00:32:34.819 --> 00:32:38.000
else. And I made the choice to stay and to take

00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.759
the risk. Where were you? I was in Panama and

00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:45.019
an island called Isla San Jose. And a lot of

00:32:45.019 --> 00:32:51.380
Africanized bees in that area. Yes. Yeah. A local

00:32:51.380 --> 00:32:55.829
guide. hit a tree with a machete that activated

00:32:55.829 --> 00:33:00.710
a hive and attacked the production crew. It was

00:33:00.710 --> 00:33:04.609
a really serious attack as well. Yeah. Africanized

00:33:04.609 --> 00:33:08.369
bees in the Americas started in Brazil. They

00:33:08.369 --> 00:33:10.309
were trying to get bees that produced more honey

00:33:10.309 --> 00:33:12.990
and survived better. And so they crossed European

00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:16.210
bees with African bees. And it did not go over

00:33:16.210 --> 00:33:19.430
very well. And they have worked their way north.

00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:23.190
South from Brazil to cover all of South America

00:33:23.190 --> 00:33:25.349
and all the way up, you know into Arizona New

00:33:25.349 --> 00:33:29.250
Mexico and Texas now Yeah, California too. Oh,

00:33:29.250 --> 00:33:32.089
yeah. Yeah that kind of that whole swipe. They're

00:33:32.089 --> 00:33:35.269
making their way north I know there are a lot

00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:40.029
of African eyes colonies in Las Vegas So I guess

00:33:40.029 --> 00:33:43.549
they like to eat so they don't tolerate the freezes

00:33:43.549 --> 00:33:47.170
Like the European bees do but that could always

00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:51.250
change they seem to be The future of bees, honestly,

00:33:51.549 --> 00:33:53.750
just how they're going to probably reclaim themselves

00:33:53.750 --> 00:33:57.349
as wild bees instead of domesticated bees. Have

00:33:57.349 --> 00:34:00.990
you found that with your hot hive or hives that

00:34:00.990 --> 00:34:03.789
they do better with Varroa? I haven't noticed

00:34:03.789 --> 00:34:07.289
until I'm in honey flow every week. I do oxalic

00:34:07.289 --> 00:34:12.050
vapor and I use strips and I've just never let

00:34:12.050 --> 00:34:15.130
a colony get to a point. My mite washes show

00:34:15.130 --> 00:34:19.500
no bees, no mites. I have almost none. OK. I

00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:21.159
need to let you guys go, but you know what? We

00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:24.039
have a couple extra minutes. I'll bet people

00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:28.019
would love to hear a fun story or two about what

00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.559
it's like to be on Naked and Afraid. I'll let

00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:32.699
him talk because he's been on many times. And

00:34:32.699 --> 00:34:35.599
by the way, Tara's been on once. Darren, you've

00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.000
been on four times, right? Yeah, I've been on

00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.760
four times. I'm always ready to go again. I thoroughly

00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:45.019
enjoy it. It's immersions into ecosystems in

00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:48.000
a manner that you can't get in regular life.

00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:50.639
to go out there and just have your wits and a

00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.579
couple tools and have to survive. I just thoroughly

00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:59.519
enjoy it. It's a challenge, but it's fun. You

00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:03.039
don't remember easy parts of life. You remember

00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.900
the hard times and the struggles and moments

00:35:07.900 --> 00:35:10.420
in nature. You'll never forget that overlook

00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:13.400
from the top of a mountain and you see your rescue.

00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.380
You'll never forget that. Don't forget the TV

00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:19.940
show you watched yesterday. It looks so miserable.

00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.639
Like, it's just, how can I survive one more day

00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.559
kind of thing? And while I'm eating dirt and

00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.420
bugs. So I'm glad you brought up how much you

00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.539
love it. That's awesome. What do you like about

00:35:32.539 --> 00:35:35.219
it so much? Like I said, the immersion in nature.

00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:37.840
I'm also lucky. I'm always the person that gets

00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.619
bit the least by the bugs. They don't bother

00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:41.639
me nearly as much. I don't have the histamine

00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:44.440
reactions. I have a better cold tolerance than

00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.650
a lot of people. I usually sleep the farthest

00:35:46.650 --> 00:35:50.869
away from the fire in a group setting. That's

00:35:50.869 --> 00:35:53.110
just how I am. I don't even like to have a fire

00:35:53.110 --> 00:35:55.869
unless I have to most of the time. You're built

00:35:55.869 --> 00:35:58.489
for it. The struggles finding finding the food,

00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:01.469
you know, we're supposed to be hunter gatherers

00:36:01.469 --> 00:36:04.130
going out and having those opportunities and

00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:06.949
go to a big reserve in South Africa and be like,

00:36:06.949 --> 00:36:08.989
hey, can I go sleep in the dirt with the lions

00:36:08.989 --> 00:36:12.010
and they'll kick you off the property? I get

00:36:12.010 --> 00:36:14.590
to go do that. How many people can say they've

00:36:14.409 --> 00:36:18.289
Stood there with a spear that they made while

00:36:18.289 --> 00:36:21.590
two angry lions circled them roaring. I mean

00:36:21.590 --> 00:36:27.329
I Got paid to do that All right, you win. I'm

00:36:27.329 --> 00:36:31.949
the boring guy Anyway, that's really fun. Hey

00:36:31.949 --> 00:36:34.250
you two Thanks a lot for being on with me today

00:36:34.250 --> 00:36:36.869
and keep it up. Keep doing all the good you're

00:36:36.869 --> 00:36:39.389
doing out there. Cool Thank you. Thanks for having

00:36:39.389 --> 00:36:41.920
us All right. Thank you, Eric. Can I give a shout

00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.280
out really quick? I just want to send a sense

00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.619
of gratitude to Capella Ranch. They also have

00:36:47.619 --> 00:36:51.079
an apiary therapy hut in Boulder County and Colorado,

00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.199
and they helped us get started and inspired us

00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.179
for BZenHuts. And what's your website so people

00:36:58.179 --> 00:37:04.579
can find you? B -B -E -E -Zen -Z -E -N -Huts,

00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:10.920
H -U -T -S .com. BeZenHuts .com. Perfect. Thanks

00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:13.219
for sharing. And you can find us on Instagram.

00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:19.980
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