Bee Venom Therapy • Drone Races • Making Queens

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love, Be Keeping

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presented by our great friends over at Man Lake.

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to sign up for our free newsletter. Today's guest

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is a really fun and super knowledgeable beekeeper

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from Ohio. We'll be discussing a range of topics,

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everything from apotherapy, including a how -to

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on bee venom therapy, propolis, swarm removals,

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and drone races. drone races. I very much appreciate

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you putting up with my voice today. I promise

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you won't catch anything from listening. We could

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have waited a few days until it cleared up, but

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hey, we promised a new episode every Thursday

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and we deliver a new episode every Thursday.

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So here we go. I'd like to welcome, warm welcome

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to our very special guest today, Emily Mueller.

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How are you today, Emily? Good, thank you very

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much for having me. I really appreciate it. We

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have so much to talk about and so I'm gonna just...

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Forget all the pleasantries and talking about

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the weather and just jump into it and and we

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could start anywhere But I was interested that

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you do a lot of education things like in schools

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Can you tell us a little bit about that first

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off? Yeah, so my heart was with my you know with

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teaching young children because I feel like if

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you start with people with children especially

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at a young age then they'll grow up with less

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fear of certain insects and especially flying

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insects that sting and so kind of bringing honeybees

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to these school rooms and walking through the

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process and allowing them to see them up close

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and learn about how they only sting if they're

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threatened and the comparison of honeybees versus

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yellow jackets which are the ones that go after

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your pop or at the trash can at the fair. So

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just kind of explaining all those differences

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to kids so that they are fully aware of it. One

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of my favorite things to do though is a drone

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race. Have you ever heard of a drone race? No,

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tell us about it. So what you do is you take,

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if you live within a two mile radius of the location

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that you're teaching at, so for my local school

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district, I can go to one of my hives and collect

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a handful of drones and I take them to the school.

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I do the presentation and then I split the kids

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into groups and I allow them to pick a color

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from my queen marking pens. We mark one of the

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drones and then the teacher and the children

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go outside and I go home because I'm so close

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to the location and I text the teacher and I

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say release the drones and they release the drones

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and I video record the front of the hive and

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the first drone to make it back is the winner

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for the end of the program and they just automatically

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go straight back to the hive most of them do

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yeah you typically I didn't know drones were

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that smart yeah that's because they are out foraging

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so they know where you know what high they're

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coming from now they can't hop drunk and hop

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hives but for the most part they return Sure.

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Oh, I bet the kids love that. They do. Yeah,

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I love it. I love watching that happen. You know,

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just being amazed every time. Like, here they

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come, you know. If you're, say, a half a mile

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away, about how long does it take? Oh, minutes

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of that. Like, that's about how far I am from

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the local school is about a half mile. And they're

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there within five minutes at the most. I would

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say probably one to two minutes. They're back.

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That's what I would have guessed. Oh, that is

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so fun. Yeah. Well, you know, it takes the creativity

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to get the kids attention. So that's fantastic.

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Then are they just full of questions after that?

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It depends on the age. Older children, not so

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much. Maybe they'll ask a couple of questions.

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Younger children, they usually tell me about

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every time they've ever been stung. And so like

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I have a question. I was stung one time, you

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know, like that's not a question. Let's answer

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a question. One of my Oh, things that I'm just

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most interested in is everything apotherapy.

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And I know you do a little bit of it. Can you

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tell us what background you have what you do

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with it? Okay, so I am a certified master herbalist

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and in medicine and so I went to school for integrative

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health sciences I just completed my master's

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last semester and I just started my doctorate

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as well in the same field integrative health

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sciences and Prior to that I had done just a

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lot of self -taught education about herbs and

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bee products in general and I kind of because

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I teach I teach a lot of classes and I didn't

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want to offer the same basic classes that everybody

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is teaching and so I started to learn more about

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apotherapy especially you know how honey it can

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be healing how pollen can be healing and I tell

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people those things in the markets when I used

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to sell in the markets you know like oh vitamin

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B there's an excessive amount in pollen where

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it's meeting your nutritional needs and you know

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things like that just to kind of spread education

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and awareness about it. But then I realized I

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could actually teach a class. So I started teaching

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a class and a lot of people wanted to know more

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about bee venom. I have personally been stinging

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myself and my husband for probably close to 10

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years. He has scoliosis and I had symptoms of

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Lyme disease as well as just other issues. You

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know anything that hurts I'm willing to sting

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it. And so we have personally used it in our

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family for quite some time, but I started to

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expand into helping other people as well. So

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anybody that is willing to ask and to sign a

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waiver to come to my house, I'm willing to help

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them with bee venom therapy. But they're so,

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Propolis is amazing. I learned firsthand how

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healing propolis can be for oral issues. So cavities,

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there's a lot of research out there showing that

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it can help stop and reverse cavities because

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strep is the leading cause of cavities in the

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teeth and the antibacterial, antifungal, antimicrobial

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benefits of propolis actually stop and reverse

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the cavities that are being formed in the mouth.

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Now you can't repair the tooth if there is damage

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like holes in the teeth, but you can use propolis

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to stop teeth pain and bacteria and all sorts

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of amazing things in with dealing with mouth

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issues. Emily you might want to look up about

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six months ago I had Dr. Stefan Stangichu on

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and he's do you know who he is? I've heard of

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his name I haven't I've seen pictures of him

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but I haven't been able his name keeps coming

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up in my life so I know I got it. got to find

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him. A lot of people know him as the world's

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leading authority on everything apotherapy and

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I know you and I say it different and that's

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okay and he lives in Romania. He's a doctor over

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there and back in December in fact we made it

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a three part episode of everything apotherapy

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and it was absolutely fascinating and people

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when they hear the term they often just think

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of bee stings or venom bee venom therapy and

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it's so much more to that in fact last fall for

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the first time we made some propolis tincture

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and you can tell i've got a little bug right

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now and i've been two or three times a day gargling

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with this propolis tincture and it's I'm not

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gonna say it tastes great it's kind of nasty

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but this this isn't turning into things that

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the people I got it from ended up with and and

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I thought that was pretty cool I also had a little

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sore in my mouth at the same time a little canker

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sore and didn't even think about it and it went

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away and it just happened to be while I was using

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this propolis tincture, so there's some amazing

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stuff there. It really is absolutely phenomenal

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and very healing to the body. And you can use

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it on cavities. You can use it on ulcers. You

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can use it. One of the research articles I cite

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in a presentation I give is on how it actually

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helps with HSV 1 and 2. So the herpes simplex

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virus, which can cause mouth cold sores and things

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like that. It's just it's really awesome stuff.

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Okay, I want to ask you a couple more things

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about bee venom therapy before we move on and

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I do want to preface this with obviously Lawyers

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out there. We're not giving medical advice It

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is always a good idea to have an EpiPen on hand

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if you're doing anything like this or frankly

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even if you're not because as a beekeeper you're

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more likely to get stung and If you're going

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to try something like bee sting therapy Work

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into it very very slowly. That's one of the things

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that dr. Stangich you talked about a lot is You

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start with a little bit See how you react a little

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bit more and a little bit more and work up to

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it to be very very careful with this So we don't

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want people to just go into a willy -nilly like

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oh I've got such -and -such and Emily and Eric

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said I should just sting myself ten times over

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here and No, let's be a lot more careful than

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that. Okay Now that the legal jargon's over,

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Emily, tell me how you got started with it. You

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mentioned about 10 years ago, and was it for

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your husband first? Actually... I've thought

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really hard about this and I can't remember what

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made me start thinking about it. I don't know

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if it was somebody I've heard because I was a

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county inspector for a few years and I think

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just networking with beekeepers and them telling

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me oh you know like we my grandpa used to do

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it for his joints and arthritis and I think that's

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kind of where it started and then I broke my

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foot I was supposed to run a 5k so I thought

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hey I'm gonna sting my foot and see what happens

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and it healed very quickly, much faster than

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what I was, you know, they told me that it would.

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They even asked me, they were like, what did

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you do different? And I said, to be honest, I

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was stinging my foot. They think I'm crazy. Then

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my husband had a lot of back pain and I told

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him like, hey, if it's working for me, I think

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that this would also be beneficial for him. Now

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it's not going to do, you know, we're not reversing

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things like scoliosis, but he does find relief

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in his joints, especially through the back pain

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he has when I do venom treatment. on his back

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and especially his hips. His hips hurt pretty

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often and so we will just you know sting certain

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areas related to those. Like you said you know

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this wasn't a you just jump in and start doing

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multiple stings. There's a whole protocol there.

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It's a very slow process. You want to first make

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sure that you're not going to have a reaction

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but always know you can have a reaction later

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on even though you haven't had one prior. So

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it is a you know it's it's not just a willy -nilly

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kind of thing. really need to know what you're

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doing. Okay and how has it worked for you? I

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- Almost died actually a few years ago. I they

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still don't know what it caught what like what

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happened But my body broke out in these strange

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hives and I had a lot of nerve die -off in my

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right foot I was in excruciating pain. It was

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horrible. And then I got sepsis and like none

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of it made sense I'm a very holistic very natural

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person and so not like it was very hard for me

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I was trying all the natural things to like overcome

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it and then they I ended up in the ER Obviously

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and they tried all these different antibiotics

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to try to help they use some of the strongest

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is all I remember I couldn't tell you all of

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them except one of them was doxycycline and I

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did respond very well to doxycycline which is

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typically used for Lyme they did do a I think

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it's called a blot test to see if I would test

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positive for Lyme and at the time I was not I've

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never tested positive for Lyme However, that's

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kind of one of the things that you find when

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you do research is that you may never actually

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test positive on certain testing methods that

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they use. However, after two things that I noticed,

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now I went through this two different times a

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year apart and still have no idea why, but when

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these... symptoms arose, I was not being stung.

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I'm stung often because I used to do cutouts,

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so cutting bees out of houses. And then I'm just

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a very irresponsible beekeeper who doesn't always

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wear a suit. And so I'm stung pretty often. And

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these both timeframes that this happened to me

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were winter or very, very early spring prior

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to getting stung. I never have these symptoms

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during the summer when I'm stung regularly. And

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so I started learning more about how it can,

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there's a potential. ability for venom. in in

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vitro studies to break down bacteria. Well, Lyme

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disease is a bacteria and so it can cause cell

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lysis where it puts holes in the bacteria and

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causes the bacteria to collapse and so that is

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why I started stinging myself. I sting down my

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spine five times three days a week and it hasn't

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always been that steady but usually through the

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summer I try to keep up with it and I'm trying

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to find a way to have hides on my porch through

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the winter so that I can maintain those stains

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through the winter as well so that I can avoid

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any future issues like I had come across. But

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that's what I use it for is potential Lyme issues

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as well as weird joint pain that I have just

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threw out because after that sepsis issue and

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the nerve die off I had a lot of pain. And if

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you can't figure out your own bees for the winter,

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there are beekeepers out there that you can buy

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them from specifically for this, and they overnight

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them to you, and it works really well. Yeah,

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Trish Thompson, I think, from Pollen Peddlers.

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I just got to meet her recently. I talked to

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her for quite some time, but yes, she does ship.

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She's in North Carolina, and so when the weather

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is okay for them to ship, they can ship them

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to you, and they are a great business. I'm sure

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there's probably others, but that's the one that

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I'm very well aware of. Yeah, there are a few

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others. I don't know all of them. I don't endorse

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one over another or anything like that. Just

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one more thing on this topic before we move on.

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If somebody wants to try this the first time,

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themself, as someone who has done quite a bit

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of this, I can tell you it is not an easy thing

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to sting yourself the very first time. It's like...

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It's like everything in your DNA is saying, do

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not do this. We are supposed to run from stinging

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things. And you take a bee with these little,

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what do you call the little tweezer thingers

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you use? Reverse tweezers. Yeah. And you take

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these and, and you figure out how to catch a

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bee and you hold it with this and you decide

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where you need it. And doing that for the very

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first time is not easy. There just is a mental

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thing for most of us that I find fascinating.

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In myself, I'm like, why this shouldn't be so

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hard. I've been stung a million times, but doing

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it to yourself is. Any advice? I would say that

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if I could go back and if I had to do, I mean,

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there's, there's opinions that we give for people

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who aren't beekeepers versus who are beekeepers.

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And, um, but the The biggest thing I would say

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is have somebody else sting you first so that

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you can kind of feel that pain and go through

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the process. I encourage people to ice it first

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because that does reduce the burning sensation

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that you typically get for a while. Quick break

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to discuss what just might be on your mind. Right

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code MLBlove10. It will hurt if you use your

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appendages that they're being stung on like if

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you're using your feet you're gonna swell more

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you know so I always encourage people to do it

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in the evening and then put their feet up if

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they're doing their legs or or towards their

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feet area but as far as it really is it is hard

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to force yourself to sting yourself because you

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know that it's going to it isn't comfortable

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you know it it is a little bit painful I don't

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know, you get used to it, you really do. I had

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to do Lovenox injections when I was pregnant

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and it was very similar where I didn't want to

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do it and then nine months later I'm like, you

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know, I can hit my stomach anytime, no big deal.

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It just, it takes time and you are completely

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normal even if you have bees and you've been

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getting stung and you're still nervous to do

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it. And how long do people need to leave the

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stinger in to get the full venom effect? That's

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one thing some people don't know. You don't just

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scrape the stinger out immediately like when

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you get stung out in the field. It's recommended

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15 minutes but I just kind of watch and see when

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it's done pulsating and once it's done pulsating

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I'm okay with pulling them out. I would say at

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least good seven to ten minutes you're pretty

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good you you have most of the dose at least and

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you can if you're trying to hurry along because

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I have people who are they have busy schedules

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and they're just stopping here as quick as they

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can because they're coming three days a week

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sometimes and so we will sting them and then

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I only have them hang out for about ten minutes

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and then we pull the stinger out I have a couple

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people who are beekeepers and they're comfortable

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with pulling the stingers out themselves so I

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just sting them in the area and then they get

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in their car and they leave And hopefully don't

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have a reaction. It's never a new patient and

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I wouldn't say patient. It's never a new client.

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It's never somebody that I haven't gone through

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the whole experience with them sat and watched

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them multiple times. Very smart. Back to propolis.

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I noticed on your website you have a propolis

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mineral paste. What is that and what does it

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do? I had a Let's see like the whole story. So

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I had to have a CT scan when I was pregnant because

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they thought I had a brain bleed and When I went

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through that it would have been the development

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time for my child I was pregnant with to have

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the teeth development happening Well, once he

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was born it was about I don't you know when the

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teeth they're coming in the front teeth I couldn't

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tell you right off the bat, but by 18 months

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He had some major issues with his forefront teeth

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and we couldn't figure out what the cause was

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and so they we believe it was likely exposure

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to that scan that caused issues for his just

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his baby teeth and so the dentist wanted to do

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surgery and they wanted to put him under to extract

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all four of those teeth and I did as much research

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as I could because as a mom with young children

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I didn't want to put him under and I found out

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that you can do something called remineralizing

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your teeth so you are putting different products

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most of them like a clay aloe, powder, different

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things created that will help with that process

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in addition to propolis has these benefits as

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well. And so it made sense to me to look up and

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research all of the ingredients that would be

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beneficial to remineralizing your teeth. and

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then add propolis to it. And so that's what I

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did. And we were actually able to buy about two

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and a half years. He was four and a half when

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we finally did do the surgery. So it didn't,

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you know, like I mentioned before, it doesn't

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repair the damage there, but it will slow bacteria

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growth and it will stop certain bacteria from

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forming and causing further decay to the teeth.

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I feel very blessed that that was something that

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happened for us. And a friend of mine reached

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out and said, Hey, my daughter has a cavity in

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her mole. And she you know, like we try to take

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her to the dentist and she lost her mind and

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so they Recommended putting her under do you

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have what was your experience? So I gave her

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some of it and the cavity disappeared after about

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six weeks like completely gone and They did not

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actually ever have to do anything further with

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the tooth I still see that little girl pretty

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often and she never had to have anything done

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to that tooth after that And so it kind of blew

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my mind to know that was a possibility and I

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started selling it online. I've sold over, I

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don't know, 6 ,000 jars of it at this point.

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I have a lot of repeat customers and a lot of

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people who reach out to me and say, hey, this

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stopped my tooth pain, this stopped this issue

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or that issue, or I was able to use it for X,

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Y, or Z. It's really awesome. The base is just

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bentonite clay and then it has aloe powder in

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it as well as propolis. I still see that little

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girl after her mom had used that and she's never

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ever had to have anything. done to that tooth

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further and she no longer has the cavity in the

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tooth. That is very cool. What is everybody else

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using it for? Like what would I buy it for? For

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oral health or something else? Some people use

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it just to apply like for brushing for sensitivity

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for gingivitis But most people are purchasing

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it for remineralizing teeth and then I market

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it towards children specifically because a lot

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of parents don't want to put their children under

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or Take a medical route unless absolutely necessary

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and so this is a way to kind of buy time Until

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they're a little bit older and can have something

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further done. I would never encourage a parent

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to only use this, still see the dentist, still

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ask their opinion, still have them watch it,

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still do x -rays because you can get an abscess

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still. That's always a possibility and that is

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actually what ended up happening with our son

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is that he started getting abscesses. So we were

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able to ward it off until it became unsafe and

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then once it becomes unsafe then you need to

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act further. All right. Let's jump away from

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medical for a minute. Let's talk about some of

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the other beekeeping things that you do. By the

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way, how many hives do you run? Right now I have

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probably close to 30. All at one place or do

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you spread them out? And I don't think I mentioned

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this up front. You're in Ohio, right, in the

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United States? Yes. Okay, so are these spread

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out over a few different locations? Do I have

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four different locations? My main hub is my home

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where I bring in all my swarms and then once

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I establish them as a healthy thriving colony

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I will move them to an out yard and that way

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if I ever bring anything in To my yard then only

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a minimal amount of them are exposed But yeah,

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and then this is also where I do I don't graft

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Queens, but I do produce Queens I do it naturally

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through the hive breaking them down and things

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and so this is where I mate the Queens are mated

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and then I move them to Can you give us a little

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more explanation on that? take us really step

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by step through that process. So to make my own

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queens, what I would usually do is I will wait

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for one of my strongest colonies to start showing

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signs of swarming behavior and developing cups.

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And once they have cups, or especially if they

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have eggs in them, then if it's a large colony,

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and I typically run four mediums for winter.

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I do not care for deep boxes. I use all eight

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frame medium equipment because everything is

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interchangeable. So I will take basically each

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box off as long as they all have eggs and brood.

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I will make sure that there is a queen cup or

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queen cell in each one and I will divide that

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large colony into four. In addition to that,

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I make sure that I have a frame feeder in there

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so that they have a lot of carbohydrates and

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then I will put a pollen patty in as well for

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protein because they cannot produce a good queen

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or a lot of royal jelly unless they have the

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protein from the pollen patty. The one additional

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thing is when I divide them, wherever I'm placing

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them, I don't leave one hive in the same location

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that it came from. I will typically move one

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at least a foot or two feet to the right. And

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then the new one I'll put two feet or whatever

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to the left. And that way when the foragers are

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returning, they are choosing a hive to go to

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instead of all the foragers returning to one.

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or I will take them to an out yard so that they're

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not, so that the population stays well because

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I want them to create a very good healthy queen.

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I love it. We're learning a lot today. Would

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you be willing to share with us some kind of

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wild and crazy beekeeping story you've had? So

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I've been thinking about this for a few days

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and I just am like oh I know so many wild crazy

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things have happened like um one time my husband

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was on the end of a 50 -foot ladder at the top

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of this very old historic building and he what

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we thought was just a swarm was actually a bee's

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building comb so then it turned into now he has

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to cut this comb off the outside of the building

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carry it down this really long ladder and on

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the way down the the queen was in it and like

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flies out and he's standing there and he can

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see the queen flying around he's like the queen

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is like out of the box and I climb up the ladder

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and I literally like snatched her in the air

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with my hand and I was like how did that even

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happen but then we put her in the bucket you

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know and she stayed in there with them but it

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was just the process of being cut from the wall

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that caused her to fly out other than that I

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mean I have bad stories like dropping hives on

00:27:24.690 --> 00:27:27.210
accident, trying to transport them, trying to

00:27:27.210 --> 00:27:30.750
look professional and definitely didn't. I think

00:27:30.750 --> 00:27:34.930
we've all done that kind of thing this morning

00:27:34.930 --> 00:27:37.910
for me. Yeah, luckily a bunch of people weren't

00:27:37.910 --> 00:27:41.420
watching, but. Mistakes definitely happen. Wow,

00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.160
I'm picturing that. That is a super tall ladder.

00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:49.200
Yes. And I'm impressed with your superhuman ability

00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.420
to catch a queen right out of the air. That is

00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.869
very impressive. And not squisher. Yeah, and

00:27:54.869 --> 00:27:57.750
that's the biggest thing. Oh, I mean, how about

00:27:57.750 --> 00:27:59.990
that whole thing of accidentally killing your

00:27:59.990 --> 00:28:02.509
favorite queens? I mean, I've done that, too.

00:28:03.069 --> 00:28:04.750
All right. Tell us a little bit more about the

00:28:04.750 --> 00:28:07.289
swarm removals that you do. Is this something

00:28:07.289 --> 00:28:09.910
that's part of your business or you're just rescuing

00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:14.369
bees or what's the story? So my business is called

00:28:14.369 --> 00:28:17.470
Mueller Honey Bee Rescue, and that was the whole.

00:28:17.609 --> 00:28:20.630
To be honest, I'm a mom. I'm a stay -at -home.

00:28:20.670 --> 00:28:23.130
Well, I was a stay -at -home mom and I homeschool

00:28:23.130 --> 00:28:26.829
my kids and so I couldn't budget -wise afford

00:28:26.829 --> 00:28:29.269
this very expensive hobby because beekeeping

00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:32.490
is not cheap, to be honest. And so I really wanted

00:28:32.490 --> 00:28:34.910
to be a beekeeper and I only had one empty hive

00:28:34.910 --> 00:28:37.430
and we caught a swarm first. That was the way

00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:40.849
we became beekeepers. And then I decided I wanted

00:28:40.849 --> 00:28:43.569
to grow. We found some equipment used at an auction.

00:28:43.849 --> 00:28:47.160
We brought that home to use. So I decided that

00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.740
I would start advertising free swarm removal

00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:52.960
which free swarm removal turned into cutouts

00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.200
because in the beginning I thought oh Well, we'll

00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.140
just cut these bees out of the wall and now we'll

00:28:57.140 --> 00:29:00.880
have free bees and that was quite the opposite

00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.819
It's a lot of work. We ended up going down to

00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:08.059
Mississippi and training under some really good

00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:10.059
well -known people I don't know if you're familiar

00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:13.779
with JP the bee man or yappy, but they both trained

00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:16.900
me and my husband on how to do cutouts and then

00:29:16.900 --> 00:29:20.140
we came back up to Ohio and we started you know

00:29:20.140 --> 00:29:24.390
zero experience other than Doing them down there

00:29:24.390 --> 00:29:26.490
with them. We came up here and we started a whole

00:29:26.490 --> 00:29:28.869
I started a whole business like oh, hey now I

00:29:28.869 --> 00:29:31.230
am a cutout professional. It's kind of what I

00:29:31.230 --> 00:29:33.809
thought we did Oh gosh, probably over a hundred

00:29:33.809 --> 00:29:37.049
cutouts over several years and it just once we

00:29:37.049 --> 00:29:40.089
had our last child I decided like it's too much

00:29:40.089 --> 00:29:43.269
to do but now yes, we do swarm removal or I do

00:29:43.269 --> 00:29:46.309
I am the the owner of the company and I do pretty

00:29:46.309 --> 00:29:48.289
much everything sometimes I drag kids with me,

00:29:48.650 --> 00:29:50.509
but they don't like to be in the car with stinging

00:29:50.509 --> 00:29:54.170
insects I go out like I was just at a swarm before

00:29:54.170 --> 00:29:57.490
this phone call I ran 30 minutes which I usually

00:29:57.490 --> 00:29:59.990
don't drive that far but I'm trying to get bees

00:29:59.990 --> 00:30:02.230
in my mother -in -law's hives which are technically

00:30:02.230 --> 00:30:05.230
mine so this swarm was near her house and I went

00:30:05.230 --> 00:30:07.950
to shake them in the box and when I did so they

00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:10.930
dispersed into the air and flew away and I was

00:30:10.930 --> 00:30:14.470
like wow what a waste of an hour of my life so

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:18.519
that's part of the fun of it isn't it Yeah, I

00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.579
don't know about fun, but bees teach me. They

00:30:20.579 --> 00:30:23.119
teach me patience, they teach me appreciation,

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.180
and I am thankful for at least those experiences.

00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.380
But that's super unusual. I mean, usually when

00:30:29.380 --> 00:30:32.059
you shake them from a branch, they just fall,

00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:34.759
as if they can't fly. A few will start flying,

00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:37.799
but in general, they fall down in your box or

00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.269
whatever you have for them to land in. Why do

00:30:40.269 --> 00:30:42.289
you think they just took off? Now, what happened

00:30:42.289 --> 00:30:45.430
was they actually arrived yesterday early evening

00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:48.410
and the people didn't call until today. And by

00:30:48.410 --> 00:30:51.430
the time I got to it, it was almost noon. And

00:30:51.430 --> 00:30:53.269
so it was warming up. And I think that they were

00:30:53.269 --> 00:30:56.430
ready to move on. They were about to. And I just

00:30:56.430 --> 00:30:58.690
helped them along a little bit sooner than what

00:30:58.690 --> 00:31:00.910
they anticipated. But yeah, they just they flew

00:31:00.910 --> 00:31:03.210
right off the branch and flew away. I've only

00:31:03.210 --> 00:31:05.730
ever had that happen one other time. Typically,

00:31:05.730 --> 00:31:08.089
it's a matter of when they fly away, it's because

00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:10.970
I'm not there in enough time, you know, I can't

00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:13.089
get there or by the time I get there, they fly

00:31:13.089 --> 00:31:16.230
away. It is very rare for them to fly away while

00:31:16.230 --> 00:31:19.309
I'm trying to collect them. Do you also use swarm

00:31:19.309 --> 00:31:23.269
traps? I don't so much. I'm I should. I really

00:31:23.269 --> 00:31:26.210
should. And I don't. But I have them. I have

00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:28.730
them sitting outside next to all of my other

00:31:28.730 --> 00:31:32.000
equipment. It's just that I have so much. so

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.460
many other things going on I really wish that

00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:36.299
someone could just come take my swarm traps and

00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:39.079
hang them up for me and then I will go pull them

00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.779
down but time is of the essence for me I have

00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:45.140
four children and I'm just always always busy

00:31:45.140 --> 00:31:48.339
plus I'm doing full -time my doctorate and I

00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:50.619
have two part -time jobs plus run my company

00:31:50.619 --> 00:31:53.779
and help my husband with his company and uh so

00:31:53.779 --> 00:31:57.019
yeah I'm burning the candle at multiple ends

00:31:57.500 --> 00:32:00.140
Well, based on all of that, I really, really

00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:02.779
appreciate you taking the time today to meet

00:32:02.779 --> 00:32:04.519
with us because we've all been able to learn

00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.420
something from this. And just as a wrap up, is

00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:09.420
there any piece of advice that you'd like to

00:32:09.420 --> 00:32:14.539
share? Or just why does Emily love bees? Oh,

00:32:14.539 --> 00:32:17.789
man. Why do I love bees? Like I connect with

00:32:17.789 --> 00:32:19.730
them, like the crazy cat lady, I'm the crazy

00:32:19.730 --> 00:32:22.089
bee lady. Like I connect with them on a level

00:32:22.089 --> 00:32:25.029
that I cannot explain. Somebody was here yesterday

00:32:25.029 --> 00:32:27.829
and they were observing my hives and they said,

00:32:28.089 --> 00:32:30.809
do your hives recognize you? And I said, I don't

00:32:30.809 --> 00:32:32.950
think that they recognize me, but they can feel

00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:36.069
my energy and that I'm not afraid of them because

00:32:36.069 --> 00:32:38.130
I can, like we are standing there and all of

00:32:38.130 --> 00:32:40.250
a sudden a bee came up to the one lady's head

00:32:40.250 --> 00:32:43.529
and started circling her head. And I put my hand

00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:46.579
out and I told the bee, like I stopped, in its

00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:49.119
way like so that it had to like reroute and I

00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.960
said stop it and then like the bee just disappear

00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:54.440
and flew away and so you know like that kind

00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.420
of most people aren't willing to do that aren't

00:32:56.420 --> 00:32:59.480
willing to like risk getting stung to tell a

00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.579
bee to stop acting like that but like when I

00:33:02.579 --> 00:33:05.799
mow by them they don't irritate me I I talk to

00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:09.480
them which you know I'm Not bad words sometimes

00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:13.819
But I love bees. I love bees on a level. I never

00:33:13.819 --> 00:33:17.839
thought could even be possible and I just really

00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.960
appreciate what it can do for the central nervous

00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.140
system in particular helping center and calm

00:33:24.140 --> 00:33:26.940
people in general, but me myself I I grew up

00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.619
in a very traumatic way and I carried a lot of

00:33:29.619 --> 00:33:33.700
that into adulthood and Being able to get into

00:33:33.700 --> 00:33:36.420
bee hives puts you on this meditational state

00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:40.380
and this calming center that I never could obtain

00:33:40.380 --> 00:33:43.839
prior to beekeeping. And so it has changed my

00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:47.500
entire life and it just is a really truly amazing

00:33:47.500 --> 00:33:53.140
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