Update on Birth Control for Varroa Mites - Norroa

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping

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presented by our great friends and partners in

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beekeeping, Man Lake. Today we're going to be

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discussing Varroa mites, various treatments,

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and specifically Naroa, which is literally a

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birth control for mites. Is it safe? Is it effective?

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Is it available in my state? All these answers

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and a whole bunch more coming up. First, oh,

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I can't believe I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna

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discuss something that is very controversial,

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especially with my neighbors, and that is the

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herbicide glyphosate, also known as Roundup.

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Most beekeepers and people concerned with their

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own personal health feel like glyphosate has

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negative health effects. But let's see what the

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science says. While glyphosate may not kill bees

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on contact, according to one study, it disrupts

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gut bacteria that bees rely on, leaving them

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more vulnerable to pathogens and premature death.

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Even sub -lethal exposure matters. Research has

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linked glyphosate to delayed brood development

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in the field. Reduced times bees spend foraging

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on treated plants and residues persisting in

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nectar and pollen for days after treatment, creating

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repeated exposure risk. And it's not just the

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glyphosate. Research has also shown that other,

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quote, inert ingredients in Roundup are also

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harmful to bees. And I just came across a brand

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new study out from Virginia Tech that has found

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that glyphosate can interfere with honeybee foraging

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behavior and may threaten hive stability over

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time. After only three days of exposure to glyphosate,

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honeybees showed a 13 % decline in foraging activity,

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along with changes in brain chemistry. All right,

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here's kind of a bottom line. Roundup doesn't

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cause the dramatic mass die -offs associated

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with neonicotinoid insecticides, which is why

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it's often labeled, quote, be safe. But that

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label is misleading. If you're spraying near

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hives or flowering plants that bees are actively

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visiting, you're risking real harm, largely from

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direct contact or coating rather than systemic

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poisoning. Best practices, never spray directly

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on blooming plants, avoid spraying when bees

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are foraging, and consider that low toxicity

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to bees on a label reflects lab tests of the

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active ingredient alone, not the full formulated

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product bees actually encounter. Just a couple

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of other thoughts. Glyphosate stays active for

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a long, long time. It can get into groundwater.

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I don't know about you, but it's just something

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I don't feel good about it being around my bees.

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There are other ways to take care of weeds in

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your yard. If you're in a position like me where

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you have some farms around you, you may not be

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able to do that much about it. Become friends

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with the farmers. Talk to them about it. I've

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found that may or may not take you very far,

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but it's definitely worth a try. We want to keep

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everybody healthy. That's the bottom line. We

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love our bees. Let's do everything that we can

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for them. I'd like to welcome great guest today,

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Adam Pockel. How are you doing, Adam? I'm doing

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well. How are you doing? Fantastic. Are you in

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North Dakota? Is that what I remember? Yep, I

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live in North Dakota, so we've been in a heat

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wave enjoying our hot summer this year. Haven't

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we all been in a heat wave? Are you getting some

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of the smoke from the west and from Canada? A

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little bit. Honestly, I don't think it's as bad

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as some years, but the last week, especially

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over the weekend, it was really bad. So it's

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just kind of part of life. It's been a crazy

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year. I wonder how the bees adjust to the smoke.

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I don't know, something I always am concerned

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about. I've always wondered that. It doesn't

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seem like it has any effect that I've seen, but

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then all the hives are dealing with it at the

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same time, so it's hard to make any comparisons.

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Adam works with Greenlight Biosciences, the maker

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of Noroa. We're going to be talking about that

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today. Before we jump into that, our listeners,

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they know what Varroa mites are, but in spite

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of that, With some newbies around, take a very

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short 20 -30 seconds and tell us what the heck

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these stupid mites are and why they're a problem

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and why every single beekeeper needs to be aware.

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The way I like to tell people is imagine you

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had a tick on you the size of a dinner plate

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and that's kind of what a varroa mite is for

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a honeybee there. parasitic mite they feed on

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the larvae they feed on the adults and they spread

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disease they weaken the colony it just there's

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nothing that they do that's good and so keeping

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them under controls one of the most important

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things a beekeeper can do and if you think your

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bees are immune to it think again please they're

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not yeah if anyone could could come up with a

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truly resistant strain they'd be a millionaire

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real quick yeah Well, people are working on it.

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We'll see. They are. So Narrowa just came out

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for the public about a year ago. Will you update

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us a little bit on the progress? Because last

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we talked last fall, it was available in some

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states and not in some other states. And here

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in the U .S. and let's talk about foreign countries

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too. Where is it available? Yep, you're right.

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So we got registered on September 25th of 2025.

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If I remember right, I might be off by day. That

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was our federal registration. If you have to

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go through and get registered in every state,

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we received our last state registration in, I

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think it was May, late April or May, which was

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New York. So it's now available in all 50 states

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as well. I believe we were registered in Puerto

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Rico as well. And now we're under review in Canada.

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in Mexico, in the European Union, in New Zealand.

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We're looking at Australia. We haven't submitted

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there yet, but it's definitely on our radar and

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something that we're probably going to work towards.

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So yeah, there's a lot going on. We passed the

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kind of initial registration stage in the U .S.,

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but now we're looking elsewhere as we work on

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kind of the next steps in the U .S. Well, I know

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it's not easy to get something like this approved

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in other countries, especially. And so good luck

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with that. We had somebody from Australia on

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the show last week, Cedar Anderson, and yeah,

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they would love it down there. And we have a

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lot of listeners in New Zealand and the UK, etc.

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So hopefully those things will move swiftly.

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For those that didn't hear our episode last time

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around, I don't want you to dig really deep into

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the science, but tell us what Naroa does compared

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to regular miticides that are out there. and

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some of the alternatives that are out there.

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Yeah, it's really cool. You know, as beekeepers,

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we've kind of been conditioned to just letting

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our mite populations build up. And then once

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they reach a certain level where we think they're

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too high, we kill them off. We use what we refer

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to as knockdown products. And EROA kind of reshapes

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how a person can approach their mite control.

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Instead of killing mites, it stops them from

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reproducing. So if you apply when your mite levels

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are low, Those mites that that exist in your

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hive and you always have some some degree of

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rural mites in your hive But the ones that are

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there won't be able to reproduce anymore. So

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instead of seeing that Exponential growth curve

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that we're used to it flat lines for as long

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as it's effective in the hive Which we've seen

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is up to 18 weeks or four and a half months And

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how does it do it? Is it just killing mites or

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what's it doing different? So it's it's delivered

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through a sugar syrup and in the pouches if you

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take a look at a norah pouch the active ingredients

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in a sugar syrup you peel back a sticker that

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exposes some holes the bees can then take those

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that syrup and store it in their brood box and

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then those stores in the brood box are used to

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feed the older larva so when that gets deposited

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in the cell as brood food the mites come in contact

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when they're hiding underneath the larva and

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they absorb the active ingredient. That starts

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a process called RNA interference, which we could

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spend a long time just describing how that works.

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But basically, it genetically blocks a protein

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from being produced. And without that protein,

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then they can't lay eggs. It's a really natural

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process. It's happening in our bodies right now.

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It's how cells regulate themselves. So we're

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just kind of utilizing this technology and this

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ability that we have now to stop them from reproducing

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instead of just outright killing them and letting

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them bounce right back. I like just calling it

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birth control for honey bees. I've definitely

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heard that comparison a lot of times now. Go

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ahead and say it don't be afraid of it. All right

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well I have some questions about it. One is now

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that it's been on the market for well not even

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a year, what kind of feedback are you getting

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from beekeepers? Are they happy with it? Are

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they using it correctly? What's going on? For

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the most part, using it correctly, I don't think

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anyone will be surprised to find out that there's

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some beekeepers that are, I would say, getting

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creative in their application methods. Some of

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those just aren't going to work. When we find

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out about them, I'm happy to talk to the beekeeper,

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or if someone has questions, I'm always happy

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to talk with them, and we've definitely had some

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of that. But for the most part, all the feedback

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that we're getting is really positive. People

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have used it in the spring, and now they're kind

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of coming... to that three or four month mark

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even and they're seeing that their colonies are

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doing great, their mite levels are low. I know

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there's some influencers that used it that are

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planning on making videos. I don't want to ruin

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what they do but they they've said they plan

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on making videos showing that Nuro is their best

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colony. We've got a lot of beekeepers been willing

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to make video testimonials for us. We were just

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at EAS last week and got some footage of that

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so it'll be on our social media soon but by and

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large the results are speaking for themselves

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and people are really happy. The only criticism

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we get is the one that we know is that right

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now it's really expensive and so that's kind

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of what we're working towards in our next steps

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is bringing that cost down. Yeah and I know that

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kind of thing takes time. There's so much R &D

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that goes into it. I'll bet you could use one

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of those analogies and say well it's a lot cheaper

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than buying new bees. It absolutely is. I mean

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even if you're treating a double um using the

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most expensive packs you can buy that's 40 dollars

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and if you can find your replacement bees in

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the spring for 40 dollars man you're sitting

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you're sitting pretty great there but yeah you're

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right the rnd is very very time consuming very

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expensive and so it just it kind of starts off

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where you've got to try and break even from that

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and bring your cost down as well because you're

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doing everything for the first time. Let me ask

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you some specific questions about uses and when

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to and when not to. People always wonder, can

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I use it when I have honey supers on? We say

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no. Now it's safe to use with honey supers on.

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There's a tolerance exemption just like oxalic

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acid has. So if neuroa, the active ingredient,

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vadascona, makes its way into your honey supers,

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it's safe. The reason we say no is it's really

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going to decrease the efficacy. Because it's

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delivered through brood food, you want the mites

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to come in contact with it in the cell. anything

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that gets stored in a super doesn't really get

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used for that in the hive so you're going to

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store it above the brood nest and it's just not

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going to come in contact with the mites and it's

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not going to do what you're paying for it to

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do. Because it works for such a long time that

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I believe you said 18 weeks, is it a good thing

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to put in the hives in the fall? Can I leave

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it in all winter? Do I have to get it out after

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18 weeks? So the pouches themselves are only

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in for a couple of days. Our label says that

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you can remove them up to three weeks later or

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whenever they're empty. Usually we see the pouches

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emptied in two to three days. At that point it's

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just in your hive and the only way that you would

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be able to remove it is by removing the frames,

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which we're not going to ask anyone to do. Quick

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break to discuss what just might be on your mind.

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Right now come on admit it. You're imagining

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the upcoming honey harvest Because no matter

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where you live in the world It's either here

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now or it will be in the near future and Man

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code MLBlove10. Fall applications, I would say,

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are a little regional. So if you're in a southern

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state or just anywhere where you're going to

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have brood for a long time, say it's now, we're

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in August, and you're not going to go broodless

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until December or you're just in a state where

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you don't go broodless, then you absolutely can

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look at a fall application because as long as

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you have brood, that's when it's working for

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you. Now, some of the northern states, you need

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to take a closer look at it and what you think

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your fall is going to be like. If I were to apply

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it now in August, which I can't because I haven't

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pulled my supers yet, I probably wouldn't be

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able to in September. If I cluster up in October,

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that's a month that it's working for me, and

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then it's just in the hive not really doing what

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I want it to do, and in fact the workers could

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be consuming it. But last year I had brewed all

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the way up to Thanksgiving. It would have been

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really good for me then. So you kind of got to

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look at how long you're going to have brewed

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and again what your mite levels are because you

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want to start out with low mites. Okay so from

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a practical standpoint here's where I am I'm

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in a climate that gets cold super hot right now

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I'm in the mountains of Utah and so here's what

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I'm thinking you tell me if this makes sense

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or not I'm thinking of pulling my honey supers

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first of September I'm gonna check mite levels

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again right then I don't think they're going

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to be out of control but if they are I'm going

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to use something else to knock them down quickly

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then I'm going to put the neuroa in because I'm

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probably going to have brood well into November

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sometime. Yeah I think that that sounds like

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a great plan and we've done studies looking even

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if you wanted to put a knockdown at the same

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time we've got a couple years of field trials

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now trying that so you can safely put it in with

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oxalic acid with formic acid. with Apivar and

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the two don't interact. They both do what you

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want them to do. They don't impact each other,

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make it less effective, they're not any harder

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on the bees. That's definitely an option if you

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need to pull it down. It's also kind of interesting

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that you mentioned timing and asking about it

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in your specific region because that's a question

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that we get a lot and so what we've done is created

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a timing tool that's on our website where you

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can click on your region Select the honey flows

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you have, add honey flows, change the dates if

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they don't look right to you, especially on a

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given year because things vary so much. And it'll

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tell you what your spring and fall windows would

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be. So we developed that because we're getting

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a lot of questions from like Utah or Florida

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or anywhere in the nation that we don't live

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and aren't familiar with their local landscapes.

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So people can tap into that and play around with

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it and see when it would work for them. I live

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in North Dakota. Eric, my counterpart, is in

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North Carolina. If we get asked by people, when

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should I apply this in Utah or when should I

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apply it in Florida or when should I apply it

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in Maine, instead of us just guessing or having

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to have a really long conversation trying to

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figure out what their landscape looks like, what

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their flow is going to be, people can use that

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tool to kind of figure it out for themselves.

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And it's kind of fun to play around too and look

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at what other regions look like, look what flows

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they have. I've spent a little bit of time just

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just doing that to learn more about different

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regions that I'm not in. And this is also a good

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reminder that beekeeping is so localized, hyper

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localized I'm even going to say, because somebody

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20 miles from me is going to be completely different

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than me because I'm 1500 feet in elevation higher

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than they are. And of course every year is different

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too, like you were talking about last year, having

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brood clear up to Thanksgiving, well this year

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it may be Halloween. Beekeepers know this. Check

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and see where you're at. It makes total sense.

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And I just love this because I love anything

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that is not a harsh chemical going into my hive.

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You know, we're always worried about killing

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a bug on a bug. We've heard that term, right?

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Mitesides, most of them, they're hard on bees.

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Let's face it. And people even say, oh, I do

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OA vaporization. Doesn't hurt the bees at all.

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Okay. have to put on a gas mask safety goggles

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rubber gloves and be really careful don't tell

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me it doesn't bother the bees at all and I'm

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not saying you shouldn't use it but just be knowledgeable

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and realize all this stuff is is tough on them

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it's okay yeah well that's that's a great point

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And we have a lot of work showing that it doesn't

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set the bees back. We have evidence showing that

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it is, as much as you can say, harmless. It's

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really exciting. Like you said, no special PPE.

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You don't need to worry about a respirator. You

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don't need to worry about your health with it.

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And you're right. I don't tell people not to

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use the other miticides. We've done a lot of

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work with some of the companies that make other

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miticides collaborating. But it's a great tool

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that you can use and make life a little bit easier

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on you and your bees. Well, and I'm glad you

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mentioned that I can use both at the same time,

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like right after I pull my supers. If I need

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something to knock the mites down, I can do that

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and have Narroa in there at the same time. I'm

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gonna keep that in mind. I'm definitely gonna

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put it to good use this fall. Okay we're gonna

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have some fun now then. Okay. Because you are

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a beekeeper and you also spent a few years as

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a hive inspector. Was that like for a county

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or state or? It was for the state of North Dakota.

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Okay now I'm guessing in doing that you saw kinds

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of crazy stuff and one of the things that we

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have fun talking about with everybody that comes

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on the show is a wild and crazy beekeeping story

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that you've had. I'll bet you have a few. Let's

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hear some. There's two things that were scary.

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Being in North Dakota, we get colonies in from

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all over the country. I think this year we're

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expected to get close to 900 ,000 colonies in

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the state this summer, so commercial beekeepers

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are coming from all over. So running into Africanized

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hives, that was never fun, and you never knew

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it was going to happen until you were in it.

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Sometimes I'd pull up to a yard and the super's,

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I'm not a tall person, I'm 5 '7". and sometimes

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supers were stacked so high that I had to stand

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on my tailgate to get them off. Great for the

00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.059
beekeeper. I was complaining in my head because

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it was a lot of work for me, but I was very happy

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for them. Probably the one, the experience that

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kind of freaked me out the most and freaked me

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out because I was worried that I was doing something

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wrong. The last thing I ever wanted to do was

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harm someone else's hive, do something that was

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going to damage their business while I was an

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inspector. So I was doing an inspection. Things

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were going fine. finishing up the last colony.

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I took two steps away from it, and I looked down,

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and the queen was walking on my suit. She was

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walking across my stomach, and I just froze.

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And I was trying to figure out what to do. It

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was actually a holding yard, so there was a couple

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hundred colonies in there, bees everywhere going

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crazy. It was chaos. And so I walked back slowly,

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and right when I was about to grab her to try

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and put her back in and get her by the wings,

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she jumped off my suit into the grass. And I'm

00:22:08.609 --> 00:22:10.829
just freaking out like I took a lot of pride

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on not messing up people's queens and this one

00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:15.609
was gonna go queenless so I very gingerly got

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on my hands and knees and started combing through

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the grass and I was able to find her get her

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on my finger and then she walked back into the

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hive called the beekeeper let him know about

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it I marked the hive for them just in case there

00:22:25.730 --> 00:22:28.509
was any you know any questions about it but it

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was definitely one of those moments I go crap

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this is on me So and you probably don't keep

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an extra queen with you all the time. No. Yeah,

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I wish it was that simple just in case Yeah,

00:22:41.539 --> 00:22:43.339
it's on you, but it's not like you did something

00:22:43.339 --> 00:22:47.240
wrong Like you squished her inside the hive or

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something. Yeah Yeah, and I you know, I know

00:22:50.980 --> 00:22:53.519
that that happens sometimes and you don't even

00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:56.079
realize it But I don't know when you see it happening

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in real time. It's like oh shoot This is this

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is exactly what I'm trying not to do sure Okay,

00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:05.960
how about some really we're not naming any names.

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How about some really dumb mistakes? You saw

00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:11.000
people make I don't know if it's a mistake But

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I you'd be surprised how often you see equipment

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that doesn't like line up, right? So there's

00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:19.759
gaps rain and stuff can can get in to the point

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that you know that it's there's entire frames

00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.559
that are exposed That one always kind of blew

00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:28.059
my mind a little bit and I understand you you're

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working with the equipment you have at the time

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but how often I saw that was kind of surprising.

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And then nothing to the beekeeper. I don't know

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if this is a mistake, but we're very windy state.

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And so I'd see a lot of times I'd come in and

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a lid had been blown off and it's 20, 30 yards

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away and you have no idea how long they've just

00:23:44.890 --> 00:23:47.970
been exposed to the elements like that. But it

00:23:47.970 --> 00:23:50.609
saw a lot of things like that. How heavy of wind

00:23:50.609 --> 00:23:55.049
can bees fly in? I don't know the exact limit,

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but. I feel like when it gets much above 20 miles

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an hour you don't see a whole lot of activity.

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When it got a whole lot more than that I would

00:24:04.690 --> 00:24:06.930
be really cautious about where I was working

00:24:06.930 --> 00:24:09.509
bees because sometimes I wouldn't realize how

00:24:09.509 --> 00:24:11.690
windy it was till I opened a lid and I'd see

00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:13.609
all the bees that were on the bottom just blow

00:24:13.609 --> 00:24:16.789
away. It's like oh I should probably not be doing

00:24:16.789 --> 00:24:19.769
this right now. Well I sometimes worry about

00:24:19.769 --> 00:24:23.750
my bees when it's a nice beautiful day and so

00:24:23.750 --> 00:24:26.440
they're out. who knows how far away they may

00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:29.599
be a mile away and all of a sudden a thunderstorm

00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:33.500
rolls in and we get 50 mile an hour gusts and

00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:35.299
they're trying and i'm picturing them trying

00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:39.359
to fly home and there's no way and so what do

00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.700
they do just kind of hunker down until they can

00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:44.920
do it later yeah so you've been in a hive when

00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:46.960
the weather's not great and they're crabby you

00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:49.569
know the weather kind of sets them off they can

00:24:49.569 --> 00:24:52.369
feel that that high pressure low pressure system

00:24:52.369 --> 00:24:54.809
is changing so it's like they know that a storm

00:24:54.809 --> 00:24:56.589
is about to come in and they'll return to the

00:24:56.589 --> 00:24:59.150
hive before it really hits hopefully they the

00:24:59.150 --> 00:25:02.210
majority of them get in before before it gets

00:25:02.210 --> 00:25:04.490
bad depending on how far away they were everything

00:25:04.490 --> 00:25:07.210
like that i'm sure not all of them do but Once

00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:09.390
the weather gets bad, yeah, they just hunker

00:25:09.390 --> 00:25:11.829
down. They spend the day inside. A few scouts

00:25:11.829 --> 00:25:13.789
will go out and see what it's like and probably

00:25:13.789 --> 00:25:16.369
never return because they got blown to the next

00:25:16.369 --> 00:25:18.410
county. But yeah, for the most part, they just

00:25:18.410 --> 00:25:20.990
kind of spend the day hunkering down. And it

00:25:20.990 --> 00:25:23.849
is crazy how they get in a bad mood. when there's

00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:26.009
a storm coming or they're in the middle of some

00:25:26.009 --> 00:25:29.490
kind of a storm. New beekeepers I've worked with

00:25:29.490 --> 00:25:32.349
they're like I don't know what was going on they

00:25:32.349 --> 00:25:34.809
just the bees were so much hotter than usual

00:25:34.809 --> 00:25:37.650
I'm like well then leave them alone that day.

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You know commercial beekeeper may not have the

00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:43.569
choice but you do if they don't want you around

00:25:43.569 --> 00:25:46.289
that day they'll usually tell you and come back

00:25:46.289 --> 00:25:48.769
some other day. Yeah I'm a really big proponent

00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:51.990
of I say this a lot, let the bees tell you what

00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:54.130
to do. And sometimes they're just telling you

00:25:54.130 --> 00:25:56.769
to leave them alone. But I use that with mite

00:25:56.769 --> 00:25:59.630
treatments, with just how you manage your colonies.

00:26:00.190 --> 00:26:01.910
I don't like doing something just for the sake

00:26:01.910 --> 00:26:04.809
of doing it. So along with Naroa, we tell people

00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:06.950
to do mite washes so that you know if your mite

00:26:06.950 --> 00:26:09.369
levels are too high to use it. But even if you're

00:26:09.369 --> 00:26:11.869
not going to use Naroa, I really encourage people

00:26:11.869 --> 00:26:14.309
to do their regular mite washes so they know

00:26:14.309 --> 00:26:16.710
what's going on in their hive. And you may go

00:26:16.710 --> 00:26:19.329
in thinking, I need to do, I need to treat and

00:26:19.329 --> 00:26:22.190
then your mites levels are low, you're good and

00:26:22.190 --> 00:26:23.890
you don't need to worry about it. Your bees in

00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:25.890
that case are telling you that you don't need

00:26:25.890 --> 00:26:27.970
to do that mite treatment. And especially depending

00:26:27.970 --> 00:26:29.970
on what you use, you don't need to set them back.

00:26:30.390 --> 00:26:32.730
I've had some new beekeepers on Facebook from

00:26:32.730 --> 00:26:36.230
time to time reach out to me and say, well, fall

00:26:36.230 --> 00:26:39.349
is coming. What do I treat with? And my first

00:26:39.349 --> 00:26:43.349
question is where's your mite level at? Oh, it's

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not bad. So when do I treat and with what? Where's

00:26:49.130 --> 00:26:52.230
your might level? Oh, it's pretty good. So when

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do I treat and with what? I'm like, you're not

00:26:55.509 --> 00:26:58.410
hearing something. Maybe this is just me, but

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I'm like, if mites aren't a problem, I don't

00:27:01.029 --> 00:27:04.670
treat them. And I have other people say mites

00:27:04.670 --> 00:27:06.910
are always a problem, so I just always treat.

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And I don't want to sit and tell people what

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to do because everybody has to do what they feel

00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.380
is best for their bees. This is my personal feeling,

00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.500
you have your personal feeling. I hope we respect

00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:22.440
each other. Yeah, I agree with that. Like I said,

00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:25.200
I don't tell people how to manage their bees

00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:28.099
just like you don't. I like that approach, but

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I'm just a big fan of listening to the hive and

00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:34.680
letting it tell you what's going on and letting

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:36.759
it kind of guide you that way. The bees know

00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.539
more than you ever will. Yeah, they've been doing

00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:42.720
it for a long time. Yep. And knowledge is power.

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So get to know the different mite treatments.

00:27:46.059 --> 00:27:49.680
Use the Honey Bee Health Coalition with their

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decision making tool. And it may have a better

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.980
name than that that I can't think of off the

00:27:53.980 --> 00:27:58.240
top of my head. But it's free. Go use it. And

00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:00.599
it just asks you questions. It doesn't tell you

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what to do. It asks you. Where do you live? What's

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the weather like? Is your hive brooding up? Is

00:28:07.059 --> 00:28:10.039
it brooding down? Is your mite level high? Is

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it low? And then what is your personal tolerance

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for more harmful toxic kind of chemicals versus

00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.859
some of the acids and some of the other things?

00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:22.960
And then you can make decisions from that. So

00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.099
use those tools, talk to your mentors, and learn

00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:29.390
from everything you do. If something works, awesome.

00:28:29.769 --> 00:28:31.789
If something doesn't work, then we've learned

00:28:31.789 --> 00:28:34.029
something and it's not a total waste if we've

00:28:34.029 --> 00:28:36.970
learned from it. So Adam, any other bit of wisdom

00:28:36.970 --> 00:28:39.369
before I let you go? You know, I just like to

00:28:39.369 --> 00:28:41.710
tell people a little bit about what we're working

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on because it's really exciting. I said earlier

00:28:44.329 --> 00:28:46.930
that we get people talking about how expensive

00:28:46.930 --> 00:28:49.769
Narroa is, especially commercial beekeepers.

00:28:50.109 --> 00:28:52.410
because that's their business and they would

00:28:52.410 --> 00:28:54.970
have to spend a lot of money on it. So EPA right

00:28:54.970 --> 00:28:58.009
now is reviewing what we're calling bulk neuroa.

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So it's a formulation that commercial beekeepers

00:29:01.109 --> 00:29:04.029
will be able to deliver right into their feeders

00:29:04.029 --> 00:29:06.309
instead of the pouches. So that'll bring the

00:29:06.309 --> 00:29:09.430
cost down as well as removing, you know, if someone

00:29:09.430 --> 00:29:13.170
has 5 ,000 colonies, that's thousands and thousands

00:29:13.170 --> 00:29:15.750
of plastic pouches. So getting rid of all that

00:29:15.750 --> 00:29:17.890
extra plastic, which I don't think anyone's gonna

00:29:17.890 --> 00:29:20.019
complain about. So that's a really exciting thing

00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:21.920
that's on the horizon. Like I said, that's targeted

00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.759
more towards commercial and sideline beekeepers

00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.759
with the volume it's going to come in. And then

00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.880
just, yeah, we've got a lot going on that is

00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.140
focused on either making it even easier to use

00:29:32.140 --> 00:29:35.380
or bringing the cost down, usually both. Fantastic.

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Kick up the good work. We really appreciate it

00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.180
and we'll talk again soon. Awesome. Thank you

00:29:41.180 --> 00:29:46.670
for having me. Thanks again for joining us on

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