Africanized Bee Removals at Night

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In a world brimming with complexity, few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee. With tireless

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precision, she dances from bloom to bloom, each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct, each act in service to the whole. And

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then... There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy, and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome welcome to Be Love Beekeeping

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presented by our great friends and partners in

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beekeeping, Man Lake. Today we're having a discussion

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with a very experienced third generation beekeeper

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in the heat of southern Arizona. If you live

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outside the US, you might not be familiar with

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their climate, which consists of 100 degree days

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all summer long and no real winter to speak of.

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In fact, 110 degrees plus really isn't that out

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of the ordinary. That's 43 degrees Celsius if

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you're using that scale. And that reminds me

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that all beekeeping is local. What works in Arizona

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won't work in Alaska or Canada. or Scotland,

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but even more than that what works at my apiary

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may not work for someone even 20 miles away if

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the climate and vegetation are different. I've

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thrown together a quick list of questions to

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ask yourself and other beekeepers in your area.

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Once you get those answers it'll help form the

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way that you tend the bees. So let's go from

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here. How severe is your winter? How hot is the

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summer? And what about humidity? When are the

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nectar flows? When are my bees most likely to

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swarm or have pressure from pests and diseases?

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And what about local pesticide use? And how can

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all of this change from year to year? And it

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does. Bottom line, get in touch with your surroundings,

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other beekeepers in your specific area, and of

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course get in tune with your bees. I'd like to

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welcome back to the show Monica King. Monica,

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how are you? Great, hi. Thanks for having me.

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It's so good to see you again. If I remember

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right, you were really one of our first half

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a dozen guests or so on the show a couple of

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years ago. We've come a long way since then.

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We're going to hit our 100th episode here soon

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and we've added video and done all kinds of things

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since and it's going gangbusters. Wow, congratulations.

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I just appreciate our guests so much and our

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sponsors so much and especially our listeners.

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who have taken us from nowhere to being one of

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the top beekeeping podcasts, and we just really

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appreciate it a ton. And you're part of that.

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Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. That's

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awesome. Great to hear. For those that didn't

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hear your first interview, and there's probably

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a lot of people because that was very early on.

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I'd love you to take just a minute or two and

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give us an idea of who you are. You can mention

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third generation beekeeper, where you are, some

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of that kind of stuff. So we get to know Monica

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and then we're going to talk beekeeping. Okay.

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All right. Sounds good. So yeah, I'm third generation.

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I grew up the daughter of Dave and Linda Mixa.

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My dad passed away last year. He's one of the

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pioneers in queen production and actually shipping

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queen cells. He was one of the, actually I think

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he was the first beekeeper to ship queen cells.

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And so growing up in that, I learned to find

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queen bees really quickly because my allowance

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was a quarter for every queen bee I found and

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caged. But if you accidentally killed her, you

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owed dad full price. So we got to be pretty quick

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if we wanted a nice little allowance there, a

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little extra spending money after school or whatever.

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But no, growing up, my My dad was very much,

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he studied under Dr. Morris, he studied under

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Norman Gehry at Cornell University just as a

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little research assistant when he was in 11th

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grade. And then he went on to the USDA lab in

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Madison, Wisconsin and became lifelong friends

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with Emmett Harp and many, many researchers.

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So dad instilled in us all of his kids, there's

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six of us, five of us are commercial beekeepers.

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And so he instilled the importance of nutrition.

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good to the bees because basically if you're

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good to them they're gonna be good back to us.

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That's how I grew up is thinking like a bee is

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what you know dad would always say. So with that,

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that was in Florida. We were actually migratory

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at first when I was little. My dad had his own

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semi. We would truck bees from Florida to Wisconsin

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and vice versa back and forth until dad just

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became a very popular queen producer and then

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we stayed most of the time in Florida and then

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I ended up in Arizona. I actually came out to

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hike the Grand Canyon, fell in love with the

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state, met my husband and basically moved out

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here in 94 and started working with Africanized

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bees. And so those are now my specialty. I can't

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raise queen bees out here. I tried. I tried to

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get a drone saturated area, European drone. I

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could not do it. So I just decided if you can't

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beat them, join them. So now I do live bee removals

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of Africanized bees from unwanted locations.

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And then I change their genetics by replacing

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their queen. So that's kind of like my thing.

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And I teach beekeeping. I have, I think I'm at

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62 students now. And when you take my class,

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I never leave your side. So they've got my cell

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phone number. I'm constantly working with my

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students, making sure that they have direction

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even after class. So you mean 62 active students

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right now? Yes. Oh yeah, that's a lot. Yeah,

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I'm proud of them. I was looking at your website

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and I love this. You've got classes and workshops,

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everything from, let's see, advanced beekeeping

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and keeping native bees and everything about

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Africanized and overwintering and all. kinds

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of things and, I mean, who would know more? So

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compared to some of us that are first generation

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beekeepers and have only been doing it for a

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little over a decade, and I feel like I'm never

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going to learn at all. Oh, you don't. But I don't

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think anybody does. No, no, you're correct. That's

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one thing Dad wanted to instill in all of his

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kids is that there's no experts when it comes

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to beekeeping. So with that said, you know, we're

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always students to Mother Nature and to our bees.

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Since you brought up Africanized bees I want

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to touch on that first and then we're gonna be

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talking about homesteading and some other Kinds

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of things like that that we haven't talked too

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much about on the show recently We have talked

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about Africanized bees a little bit in episodes

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recently, but tell me what it's like because

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we have this Scary image of killer bees, you

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know, just like the murder hornets somebody puts

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a name on them and we think they're out to kill

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all human beings, but are the majority of feral

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colonies in your area Africanized? I'm going

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to throw out a bunch of questions at one time.

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Okay. So there's question number one, how do

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you tell the difference and just how hot are

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they to work with? We have a USDA lab here in

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Tucson, Carl Hayden Research Center, and in 2008

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they did genetic sampling from the south rim

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of the Grand Canyon all the way down to the Mexico

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border. And 98 % of those sampled came back as

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Africanized hybrids. So basically what us beekeepers

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do in this area is if we meet a hive that is

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not in the hands of a beekeeper, we just automatically

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assume it's Africanized hybrid. There's really

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no way for the average person to be able to say,

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OK, that's an Africanized bee and that's a European

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bee. We have to look under a microscope, check

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their wing structure, or send them off to a lab

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for genetics. So we just... automatically say,

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OK, that's going to be an African ice hive. And

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we treat them with respect and we go in thinking

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that, well, these can be bees that can get out

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of hand quickly. So I only do my removals at

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night for safety and containment. There's and

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you know, that's when bees are home. It's also

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not as hot. Nah, I'm right. I mean like I got

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triple digits in the middle of the day and so

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I'm in a full bee suit I have one bee suit I

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absolutely love people are always trying to sell

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me other bee suits and I'm like No, I only use

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this one bee suit. I trust that suit and she's

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great I do use nitrile gloves because I don't

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like crushing bees Africanized bees don't like

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leather gloves if they sting the gloves, you

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know You get the pheromone all over the place

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and so with the nitriles it fakes the majority

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of the them out until my hands get all sticky

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and they start sticking to my gloves and stuff

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like that. But with that said, how cantankerous

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can they be? When I first started the bee removals,

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it was like one in 20 were that killer bee, the

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ones that would make the paper kind of bee. And

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then like every year it just kind of seems to

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get like more and more of them are getting more

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agitated. At the beginning of this year, I would

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say one in two, 50 % were that kind of angry

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bee. But I think it was more because they were

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hangry. We've been having really bad drought

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conditions. The environment, the habitat for

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them has not been the best. Even across the board,

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across the nation, we've had some researchers

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come out and say, hey, the bees are hangry. And

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they've put out something about protein in the

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pollen is not what it used to be. And that the

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bees are becoming a little bit more agitated

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or defensive when they get that way. So. now

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with these rains that we've been having and I've

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gotten three inches in the past month and now

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the flowers are going crazy and The bees are

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expanding and those African ice girls. They're

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a lot sweeter now So I would have to say I put

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a lot of money on that I would bet money that

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that Actually has a lot to do with all the bees

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across the board whether no matter your genetic

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line but the African ice bees they're used to

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living on their own, and I think that I did two

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removals with the American Honey Queen. Our American

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Honey Queen is actually staying in Tucson for

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school, and she's been starting to help me on

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bee removals. One of them was a beautiful, healthy,

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gorgeous, wild colony. and someone's backyard.

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She was living in a wash bin, an overturned wash

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bin. The other one was in an irrigation box and

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that hive was struggling. She was weak. She had

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some sort of brood issue going on. She had ant

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problems. She had all these. And so those bees

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were a little crankier than those healthy bees.

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I don't get why more people don't do removals

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at night. It makes sense what you're telling

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me. We have people doing bee removals during

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the day and they will agitate the bees and they're

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like, oh my goodness, we're gonna have to kill

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them. We're gonna have to use pesticides. We're

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gonna have to take these out because they're

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just really nasty bees. If you do them at night,

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yes, the beekeeper might be getting more stings

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because they crawl more. I use a red light. I

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don't use a white light. It keeps them calmer.

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Of course, they're all home. It's better for

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the homeowner. I don't have any issues with neighbors,

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pets, everything is so safe. I mean, yeah, I

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don't know why. Everybody that's doing swarm

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removals and cutouts and everything else, give

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it a try. And as far as the red light, are you

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taking a headlamp and putting some kind of a

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red thing on it or are you just buying red lights?

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So I use a rechargeable, yes, lantern type. So

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I use multiple rechargeable lanterns that stay

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in the red mode. all around us. If you put it

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on your veil you get this weird reflection and

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it's difficult to work with a headlight. So I

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have all these rechargeable red lights and they

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work great. You can actually see it if you change.

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So it's got multiple modes on my lanterns and

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you can change it to the white light and the

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bees just become really agitated. And then if

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you change it back to red they calm down again.

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I highly recommend doing the removals at night

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with a red light. Okay. Now on a personal note,

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you mentioned nitrile gloves, and I love nitrile

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gloves. That's what I use all the time. I love

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being able to get them all gooey and gunky and

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just pull them off and throw them away. They're

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not expensive. But my hands sweat so much inside

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there. Am I the only one? No, you're not the

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only one. My family, they use cornstarch inside,

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but then you get this really thick, you know...

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Muddy cornstarch icky. You're not the only one.

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Yeah I didn't know if there was a secret like

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baby powder in there or something that I haven't

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tried or well That's what the cornstarch I I

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do know a friend of mine uses these cotton inserts

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underneath But then I'm like, well you now you

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got something you have to wash I just go ahead

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and just deal with it. Yeah, you just get used

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to it Yeah, yeah one thing before we leave this

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Africanized topic. I've had a couple of different

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people on recently on the show that are in Southern

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California, so not that far from you and not

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quite as hot of an environment, but what they're

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telling me is the majority of bees that they're

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working with are Africanized hybrids, but they

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believe, and most of this has not been genetically

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tested and stuff, they believe that they have

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hybridized so many times over so many generations

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That there are really great hybrid they don't

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change out queens because of a few things one

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they don't have that nasty of dispositions anymore

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after enough generations they're hardy they're

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fairly rural resistant compared to. Some regular

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european honeybees and they just think they're

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great hardy bees and they've learned to live

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with them. Like I said, they're just not that

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nasty. Are yours not to that point, or what do

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you think the difference is? So we have a lot

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of areas that our Africanized bees get into,

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and I think that our concentration is a lot higher

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in this area. We have mine shafts, we have pack

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rat nests, we have saguaro cacti. We have a high

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concentration of Africanized. And we had somebody

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come from Yuma, Arizona. And he thought, well,

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I'm going to get into bee removals in Tucson

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because there's a need. You know, I'm going to

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do live removals. And he got out of it. You know,

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he used to run 5 ,000 colonies in an agricultural

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setting. He was a manager of one of the pollination

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contracts and stuff. And he goes, I've never

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met bees like this. And so I think your Africanization

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defensive capabilities is basically concentrated

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I was down at my dad's one year these people

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I think they were from Argentina they visited

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to study my dad's queen rearing operation, but

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then What happened was I got to speak to them

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a little bit about them visiting Brazil because

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their whole thing was they were gonna be selling

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Brazilians Nucleus colonies and so I said hey

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when you went to Brazil How were the bees and

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they said well we went to this one area and we

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worked them without gloves on like oh okay well

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that was he goes but then we went deeper away

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from the saturated areas we went deeper where

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there was less people and those bees were the

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africanized bees that everybody's always heard

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about so you got these pockets and that's great

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that these people are experiencing a pocket where

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they're getting to have some really nice good

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quality hybrids and that they don't have to requeen

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but out here every now and then us beekeepers

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we go oh This is going to be a great hive. She

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was so gentle on the removal. Just the sweetest

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bees and then we go in two weeks later and they

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try to kill us. They're unpredictably defensive

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in our area. I can't speak for California. I

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can only speak for here. I actually keep some

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of them in my spot because I have no neighbors.

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My closest neighbor is a half a mile away and

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that's great spot for bringing Africanized bees.

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But if you live in an area where we have close

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neighbors, animals, anything like that, they

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can't live there just because of that defensive

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capability. Let's move on because I wanted to

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talk a little bit about homesteading. This is

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something that you're into. Tell us a little

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bit about where you live and your philosophy.

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What animals do you have? How do you do it? Okay,

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so I live on a small little section of 14 acres

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surrounded by a bunch of state land and large

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ranches. I was very lucky. My husband and I were

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very lucky to have this property so that we can

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bring bees here, the Africanized bees. On this

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acreage, I really firmly believe in regenerative

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agriculture, sustainable agriculture. I'm like,

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put your money into that. Even if you live in

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the city and you have to purchase, you purchase

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from a small farm that practices these methods

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and it's better for our environment. So I'm kind

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of environmentally conscious on that field. So

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as far as I go, it is very difficult to grow

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a lot of things in triple digit weather. So I'm

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always trying to experiment with different ways

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of watering, saving water, reusing water. We

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live off of a well. We use solar for pumping

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that water. So if we have a lot of cloud cover,

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we don't get our water. pumped up. So we have

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to have the right amount of water containment

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above ground. We have a water pressure with a

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solar pump. So if that goes down and we can't

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move water, that's a whole nother thing. Try

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moving water by hand from a distance. So the

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older I'm getting, I'm trying to figure out ways

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to make sure that we have these things put in

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place where when something goes down, we have

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a backup for that. something people don't realize,

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but these bees will go through like a gallon

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of water a day to two gallons of water a day,

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depending on the size of the colony. And if you

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don't have that available for them, you're going

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to have meltdowns and stuff. So I have seven

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water tanks just for the bees in different locations.

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I run chickens and guinea hens and quail. and

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rabbits, and of course enough barn cats and dogs,

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I'm sorry, to help keep the predators away. I

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would love to have a few more animals, but I

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am kind of at my limit as to how much I can do

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and also take care of everything as far as the

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bees, because I think without the bees, the teaching,

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the classes, being able to go get the bee removals

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and stuff, I might not be able to afford the

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homesteading because it costs a lot of money

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to run a homestead. Yeah, you're not going to

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get rich that way. No, unless you happen to find

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some gold when you're digging your well or something.

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Right, exactly. I don't know if this is practical

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for you. I'm on a well too where I live and we

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have two storage tanks that add up to about 3

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,500 gallons. That really helps. But if we don't

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have power, we can't pressurize that water. So

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we still can't do too much with it. Yes. Exactly.

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Exactly. So I have a 2500 gallon tank right at

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the well. And then I have another 1500 gallon

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tank up so that if we need to, we would just,

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we can just do gravity feed. Thank you. I needed

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the word. I'm like, I'm missing the word. So

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we have the availability to have a gravity feed.

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But you get caught with your pants down every

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now and then where maybe the 1 ,500 gallon is

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empty when the pressure system comes out. And

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it was like, oh no, I have no water again. The

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bees water is probably close to 2 ,000 gallons

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above ground in different holding tanks open

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for the bees and the dogs and everybody to be

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able to get that. And then I have for the orchard,

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have 50 gallon water tanks with spigots on them

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those are full so that when the water system

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goes down or something I can just open those

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up to do a trickle out of the spigot onto the

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Trees, you know, so you have like backups for

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your backups and this is all time -consuming

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labor intensive You know, everybody's got all

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of these dreams of wanting to live like I am

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and I'm like going oh I would love to just have

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you come stay a day and and have you have to

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go fill up the generator in order to Run the

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electric when the solar is not going, you know,

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and there's just all these things somebody said

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something about having something at night and

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I'm like, oh, I can't do that. That drains too

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much power. And so you think differently when

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you are trying to be as sustainable as possible

00:23:01.930 --> 00:23:05.950
in a homestead. So, yeah. And not everybody that

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has a quote homestead is completely off grid

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and that's okay. That's true. Yeah. It doesn't

00:23:13.009 --> 00:23:15.230
mean you're bad homestead or something else.

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Do Africanized bees bother your chickens or any

00:23:18.829 --> 00:23:23.339
of your other animals? Oh, so yeah, I have to

00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:26.359
make sure that during a dearth that I do have

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some ultra B or B Pro or a P 23 sitting out for

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them to gather. Otherwise they go and they try

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to get into the chickens feed. So if I have that

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out, they prefer the supplements created by man.

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They actually prefer them over the chicken food

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because the chicken food has like, what is it

00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:46.319
corn by products in it and stuff that. powders

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and so they try to gather that powder in the

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chicken feeders. But my chickens are symbiotic

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with my bees. So I do these bee removals and

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Africanized bees will have mites too. So what

00:23:56.859 --> 00:23:58.660
I always do is you know they're really great

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about creating a lot of drone brood. So I always

00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.900
pop the drone brood to see how bad their mite

00:24:03.900 --> 00:24:06.680
infestation is and all of that goes to the chickens.

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Without the chickens, I would have no place to

00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.259
throw that drone brood, right? As we're on that

00:24:11.259 --> 00:24:14.500
topic there, my worst mite infestation was actually

00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.299
a wild Africanized hive in South Tucson that

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had 16 mites per drone cell. 16. And you're like,

00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.680
well, maybe it was a European colony, Monica.

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And I'm like... So I sent them off right at that

00:24:32.650 --> 00:24:35.230
time. It was like perfect timing. The University

00:24:35.230 --> 00:24:38.390
of Florida was doing some kind of genetic research

00:24:38.390 --> 00:24:41.490
and they asked me for six samples of hives that

00:24:41.490 --> 00:24:43.630
I wanted tested. And I'm like, oh, I have one

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because this one has such a mite load. I want

00:24:46.190 --> 00:24:48.650
to know. And they came back as Africanized hybrids.

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I think a lot to do with the mites and their

00:24:51.650 --> 00:24:54.980
ability to... you know be resistant is their

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actual immune how how compromised their immune

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systems are at the time from forage and stuff

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the chickens helped me out with that so for those

00:25:03.700 --> 00:25:06.799
that haven't done my testing that way with drone

00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:10.279
brood explain how that works basically the the

00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:14.539
best spot for a varroa to reproduce is inside

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a drone cell. So we just pop it open. You can

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use like a uncapper, like one of those little

00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:23.200
handheld uncappers and pop the cappings off of

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the top of the drone cells and then look inside

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of them. I'll pull the larva out and you will

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see all these mites in different stages of growth.

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They could be smaller than the tip of a pin and

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Clearish white color. I mean you got to really

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have your good reading glasses on in order to

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see them all So basically you can get an idea

00:25:44.150 --> 00:25:48.369
of how bad of a mite infestation It is by looking

00:25:48.369 --> 00:25:51.450
at that drone cell some of my students I'll tell

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them when you separate two brew chambers Like

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you have two deeps or something and you pop it

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back and you see usually they'll build drone

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cells in between the frames That's the perfect

00:26:01.130 --> 00:26:03.250
opportunity to take a peek and see if you've

00:26:03.250 --> 00:26:05.859
got any mites. So That's what we do a lot of.

00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.960
We also use the CO2 mite check too. I don't do

00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:11.740
a whole lot of alcohol washes unless I'm doing

00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:14.960
a specific testing on my mite treatments. So

00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.799
when you find a bad infestation like that, what's

00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.339
your favorite method of treatment? Because I'm

00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:23.339
doing a bee removal and I realize that they have

00:26:23.339 --> 00:26:26.440
such a high mite load, I'll just give them a

00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:30.730
complete brood break. all the brood, worker brood,

00:26:31.029 --> 00:26:33.349
everything goes to the chickens. They start fresh.

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And then some people in the area like to give

00:26:36.529 --> 00:26:38.650
them like an OA treatment at that time so that

00:26:38.650 --> 00:26:40.630
you're also knocking down the mites that are

00:26:40.630 --> 00:26:43.430
on the bees themselves. I don't like doing that

00:26:43.430 --> 00:26:46.289
because I've had too many of them abscond from

00:26:46.289 --> 00:26:49.309
too much pressure that they're not used to getting.

00:26:49.730 --> 00:26:52.410
So I'll just wait until they build up a little

00:26:52.410 --> 00:26:56.829
bit and then I'll probably, I'll do Noroa or

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Farroxa sand. I do like Apigar depending on the

00:26:59.890 --> 00:27:02.480
time of the year. I don't know if we did this

00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.680
the first time you were on the show or not, but

00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:07.779
all the guests that come on now, I give them

00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:10.359
an opportunity to tell one of their favorite

00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.480
wild and crazy beekeeping stories. This can be

00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:18.059
anything super unusual, or painful, or embarrassing,

00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:22.019
or just crazy. And especially doing removals,

00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:25.019
you must have a ton of them. So anything come

00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:28.700
to mind right now? Well, besides finding 18 virgin

00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:32.759
queens in one swarm, Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. You

00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:37.720
can't just go, oh, besides that. No. Tell us

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.920
that one first, then go on to the other one you

00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:43.880
were thinking about. I had a call for this ginormous

00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.640
swarm. Actually, my aunt got the call. She's

00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.049
also a beekeeper. She's like, Monica, you bring

00:27:50.049 --> 00:27:52.769
all your equipment. Somebody's yard is covered

00:27:52.769 --> 00:27:57.069
in swarms. And so I went down there. It was 10

00:27:57.069 --> 00:27:59.950
miles north of the Mexico border. She goes, OK,

00:28:00.009 --> 00:28:02.349
you get the biggest one because I have most of

00:28:02.349 --> 00:28:05.569
the removal equipment. She had, let's see, there

00:28:05.569 --> 00:28:08.450
was three or four other satellite swarms around

00:28:08.450 --> 00:28:12.259
this ginormous one hanging in the tree. And it

00:28:12.259 --> 00:28:14.759
took me, I don't know if anybody's familiar with

00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.799
the Colorado beevac, I have three of the catch

00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:21.000
boxes and it filled up three catch boxes. So

00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.640
it's basically three deeps, right? And I brought

00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.380
it home and I started sorting through them and

00:28:28.380 --> 00:28:32.720
I picked out 18 virgin queens in order to make

00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:35.849
them stay. Because they were wanting to leave

00:28:35.849 --> 00:28:37.369
they were just like oh, we're gonna leave, you

00:28:37.369 --> 00:28:39.670
know And every every every time I would grab

00:28:39.670 --> 00:28:41.990
one there would go I'm like going, you know,

00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:43.569
okay. Oh, there's another one. There's another

00:28:43.569 --> 00:28:45.549
one There's another one and that was the most

00:28:45.549 --> 00:28:49.009
and I was able to get them to till stay in the

00:28:49.009 --> 00:28:52.470
box after I caged all 18 of them. And I gave

00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:54.269
them a frame, a couple frames of brood from one

00:28:54.269 --> 00:28:56.930
of my donor hives. And yeah, but that was the

00:28:56.930 --> 00:28:59.529
most I've found so far is 18. And the most I've

00:28:59.529 --> 00:29:01.950
heard about, my dad had a friend that found 23

00:29:01.950 --> 00:29:04.589
Virgin Queens in one swarm. We need some kind

00:29:04.589 --> 00:29:06.730
of Guinness World Record on this thing. That

00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:11.690
would be fun. All right. What was the other story

00:29:11.690 --> 00:29:13.750
you were going to tell us? I had a cutout that

00:29:13.750 --> 00:29:16.880
was just attached to a block wall. They weren't

00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.440
going into the block wall. They were like a retaining

00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:22.920
wall. So they were attached to it. And then there

00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:25.400
was a tree leaning into the block wall. So they

00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.359
had built an open air hive just in the tree and

00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.559
on the wall. And it was like this catacomb, not

00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:34.980
like in a straight line or whatever, back to

00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:38.039
back. This thing was just like all melted and

00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:41.980
molded and like... had cavities to it. It was

00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:45.380
so strange. And when I got home, I found four

00:29:45.380 --> 00:29:50.059
mated queens all together in that hive. And I

00:29:50.059 --> 00:29:52.740
took those four mated queens and I put them in

00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:56.740
individual cages and I dumped all the bees out

00:29:56.740 --> 00:29:59.900
over the five mated queens into their own five

00:29:59.900 --> 00:30:02.380
-frame nucleus boxes, right? So I figured, well,

00:30:02.380 --> 00:30:05.680
I'm going to win. I've got five hives now. The

00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.480
next morning, all the bees tried to squeeze in

00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.079
with one queen. and they just let the other three

00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:17.490
queens die. don't know the generations of if

00:30:17.490 --> 00:30:20.509
it was a mother, a great -grandmother, a great

00:30:20.509 --> 00:30:23.549
-great -grandmother. I have no idea what the

00:30:23.549 --> 00:30:26.509
whole system was going on in there or if it was

00:30:26.509 --> 00:30:29.789
because there was all of these compartments in

00:30:29.789 --> 00:30:32.630
the removal that caused the pheromones to get

00:30:32.630 --> 00:30:34.869
blocked and that all the bees were just tolerating

00:30:34.869 --> 00:30:37.910
everybody or what it was. All right, Monica,

00:30:38.069 --> 00:30:40.470
hey, I appreciate your time a ton. If anybody

00:30:40.470 --> 00:30:48.269
wants to find you, monicamking .com. Thanks again

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