Beekeeping In The Southern Arizona Heat & Honey Bee Rehab

0:00 May I have your attention please? The following is not the real Jeff Vox review. If your formerly white beekeeping suit looks like you washed it in orange propolis, you might be a beekeeper. If once a year your kitchen becomes sticky from floor to ceiling, you might be a beekeeper. If the thought of someone microwaving crystallized honey makes your skin crawl, you might be a beekeeper.

0:46 Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping Podcast presented by our good friends over at Man Lake. Special thanks goes out to the not real Jeff Foxworthy for that fun intro. I think he just may end up being a regular on the show. At Bee Love we're all about honeybees and of course the beekeepers. We're going to have conversations with beekeepers from all over the world, from small hobbyists to large commercial operators. We'll review new products, try it in true methods, and hear horror stories and we're going to have fun. If you're on the beekeeping adventure, we'd love to hear from you. If you're just thinking about it, there's no better way to learn the pros and cons, blood, sweat, and tears than from real live beekeepers. Beekeepers and fun beekeeping stories, it's all about the love. On today's episode we're going to Southern Arizona for a conversation with beekeeper who can tell us all about what it's like keeping bees in a really hot environment. Then off to the south of France to learn about a revolutionary new bee smoker device. But first how about a wild and crazy beekeeping story sent in by Paola? She writes, last weekend my hive was getting robbed by an enormous wild hive. My backyard looked like a tornado of bees. Kind of freaked out the neighbors. So in an effort to help or rather feel helpful, I ran out without

2:17 any bee-suter protective gear, grabbed my garden hose, and started showering the hive and the plume of bees around it. It seemed to be working but all of a sudden I had hundreds of bees on me. Maybe a thousand very wet bees. According to my husband I was absolutely covered in bees so I dropped the hose and shimmied over to a sunny spot. I got stung in the process and did everything in my power not to trigger a potential firestorm of stings from the other bees. I stayed frozen in the sun, soaking wet with God knows how many bees crawling all over me for about 30 minutes. One by one they dried and flew off. Good news is my hive was able to defend itself and the robbing stopped but less than learned never run out without a bee suit to intervene in a robbing. And here's a short one from Sharon. She says my husband wanted me to come outside to look at a hive. I said wait let me get my shoes. He said it's still raining the girls are all inside. You're safe you don't need your shoes. Yep you guessed it got stung on the bottom of my foot.

3:29 Hey everybody I'd like to welcome as our special guest today Monica King from Arizona. Monica how are you? Doing great thank you. Thanks for having me Eric. Hey give us just a quick background. Where in Arizona are you and then let's talk about what beekeeping is like down there in the heat. Yes I'm actually located west of Tucson Arizona approximately 32 miles from the Mexico border and I've been beekeeping here. I actually moved here in 1994 from Florida and it is way different. It's a dry heat. The bees have issues with meltdowns if the colony is not extremely strong so beekeepers have to be aware of the temperatures and be able to provide water internally to the hives if they don't have the forage population necessary to do the water foraging and then we also have issues with the Queen's overheating and our brood overheating so if the internal temperatures reach 104 degrees or more we have substantial damage without even knowing it as beekeepers will go into the colony and we'll be going what happened and here it's because of internal overheating. Okay slow down that's three big problems. I want to learn about each one of them. The first one you called hive meltdown. Is it

5:00 actually melting? Is it hot enough to wax melt? Yes exactly. Oh my gosh. So does it like ooze out of the entrance? Yes and bees get stuck in their own honey and it's it's those kind of things also cause robbing of course so there's just a new you know ant problems that right there is one of the major problems for people that like to try to utilize other hive styles other than the Langstrop so like when somebody is interested in doing like say a top bar hive you know where it doesn't have any structure to hold the comb other than that top bar it is extremely difficult so we always recommend to new beekeepers to start off with the standard Langstrop so that they learn temperature regulation they they learn how actually how the bees use airflow in order to thermoregulate at the same time protecting the hive from the robbers while providing that airflow so there's all kinds of different things that we actually have to do in order to prevent the colony from having that honey meltdown. And I assume you want foundation on those frames. Exactly that's the easiest way to to be able to handle it those those top bars like we're talking about I mean you go in and do an inspection you lift the bar up and the whole comb just pops off so that is a huge issue so we basically tell beekeepers you know learn the Langstrop

6:34 style use foundation get comfortable with all that and maybe when you hit you're like your fifth year beekeeping then you can play around with the more unique hive styles such as top bar and a lot of beekeepers in southern Arizona don't even recommend them at all but I do have some of my students do use them successfully we had a local beekeeper that had up to 70 of them it just is a lot more there's a lot more maintenance involved with those in southern Arizona. I just can't imagine taking a frame out of a top bar or a bar out of a top bar whatever we call it on a really hot day it just seems like it would fall apart. Yes exactly exactly. Now you mentioned the term weak hive can a strong hive keep the internal temperature cool enough that we don't have these meltdown issues? Yes yes if you have a strong colony you know I'm talking like double deep with some medium or triple deep with medium supers on top and you have like a colony that has got that 50, 65,000 count work power and they have a good airflow which means either utilizing things like screen bottom boards or the round entrance discs where you can flip it to the screen on multiple levels or even having a inner cover style where there we actually have made it where the inner cover has a screen and then we put another box on top of that

8:05 so that the hot air rises out and is able to escape over through the upper box also having a screen. So we utilize green a lot here in southern Arizona to protect our hives from the robbing but to allow that airflow that is necessary for them to do their thermal regulation. Then having so you have a population that can then fan the water that they're bringing in but you also have to have those forage bees to go out and gather that water so sometimes that large colony they can handle that. The small colonies with a lower forage population they end up having an internal like a frame feeder with water in it not sugar syrup but an actual internal frame feeder with water will assist allowing humidity because like I said it's a dry heat and going back to that so your brood needs to have a humidity level inside of it and with this dry heat and let's say your low on forage population your brood will actually be too dry I mean you can look at the food that you know inside the cells and realize that it's all dried up there's not a whole lot of moisture in your in your worker bee jelly or your royal jelly and you're realizing okay we've got some issues with moisture and so by putting that internal frame feeder inside the colony it does assist greatly. The other thing we do is we will add things like insulation board on top. I would extending over with a block on it

9:36 for those smaller hives. Our commercial beekeepers that regularly have really you know they they will combine hives keep strong hives so that they can keep them in the middle of you know like an open agricultural field or whatever and they don't have the issues where we have bees that are in areas where maybe the the hobbyists didn't control the mite problem and so they had a decrease somehow there was a decrease in the forage population or the the whole demographics as a whole and then you don't have that those water foragers so we're just basically assisting them when needed. Right what about shade I know for a commercial beekeeper it wouldn't really be possible but for hobbyist with two four six whatever right are there good ways to just I mean does it help a lot to just get some shade up? It does it does help a lot so actually in places like Yuma or the Imperial Valley where you see commercial beekeepers with hives they actually build shade structures for their colonies so it does you know they do do it. In Southern Arizona we highly recommend trying to find a nice shade tree and put in the colony on the northeast side of that shade tree so it's getting morning sun yet afternoon shade and if you don't have that some people's yards don't have a shade tree I mean you're stuck with the scrub bushes type thing and so basically that really thick insulation foam insulation kind of

11:08 like a sheet and it's thick and you can actually sit that on top of your colony with a block and so that when the wind comes but have it overextend off to the sides making sure that in the heat of the day around that one two three three p.m. time period that that side is completely shaded so that the sun is just not beating down on the wall of the box. So it's almost like putting a big hat on it. Yeah exactly. Big sombrero on your bee hives. Sombrero. Exactly. And what happens to the Queens you mentioned that do they just get too hot? Yes well if the Queens get too hot it has the heat has the ability to actually I'm gonna I'm gonna just basically say nuke the sperm inside her spermatheca. She will no longer be able to lay and the bees will like consider her basically faulty.

12:05 Yeah damage goods and want to replace her. Damage goods and want to replace her and we have we have Africanized bees in our area so basically if your European Queen is overheated the bees decide that they want to replace her because of that then the daughter goes out and mates with Africanized drones and your residential backyard beehive now becomes a potentially dangerous colony and so now you're out your your money for spending on the the original European Queen and you need to go buy another European Queen and some people don't understand it's due to heat not due to Queen quality and that's something that gonna be doing a talk on on Queen quality more than just genetics at the Arizona Honeybee Festival next month and just to try to get the word out there that there is a larger picture when you are talking about your Queen and and how she's laying. So it's not a matter of the heat killing the Queen it basically sterilizes the Queen. Basic there you go yeah and it also kills the brood. Yeah. So there's you know yeah. When it gets cooler can the Queen start laying again or is she sterile forever? It depends on the temperatures that she hit you know and the percentage of of what's going on so I there's more research I think that should be done in this area to answer your question there like is she completely damaged or she just have some now sterile eggs that

13:36 she's laying and the bees are realizing those eggs you know that she's laying as a worker bee intended to be a worker bee but are not they this is a fertile egg and I'm putting it into a worker cell but it's not a fertile egg you know and they pull it out and discard it or cannibalize it you know there's there's I think some research needs to be done more in in that kind of department. Okay so for everybody out there that's in grad school right now. Yes. And you need some kind of a some kind of a PhD research study to do there you go there's an idea for you. I want to talk more about this subject of Africanized bees. I'm lucky I live in an area where we don't have them yet I'm up in Utah we have cold winters but I hear so much about them part of what you do is what you call honeybee rehab. Yes. Tell me more about that. Well for instance last night I went and gathered a hive from an owl box so we have a lot of people that are just sweetheart you know like put out these owl boxes and even though it's small it's not something like you would hear of a European colony choosing if they swarmed our Africanized bees don't mind small compartments so we'll find them in water meter boxes in these owl boxes in compost bins in all these different locations and of course homeowners don't want them there so I

15:06 go in and I remove these bees and the reason why we call them all Africanized is because around 2008 our USDA lab here in Tucson Carl Hayden Research Center did sampling from the Mexico border all the way to the South Rim of the Grand Canyon and at that time 98% came back as hybridized to one extent or another so the percentages will vary according to the colony so with that said we don't know we treat every colony like it has that potential to be that killer hive right so and those that can't see I did quotes around that air quotes so basically air quotes around killer so what it is is normally in the past era about one in 20 of these colonies when I would go into them I would consider them my number 10 on my heater meter scale where they did they would you know if I didn't have a suit on if I didn't have gloves and you know full protective gear these bees were trying 50 to 100 200 trying to sting me all at one time one in 20 colonies in the past have been like that for some odd reason this year that percentage is more like a third of them and I don't know why so what do you do what's your rehab so I bring them back to my apiary in the middle of nowhere where they're not going to bother any humans or pets animals anything like that and I have the ability to then requeen them so I go in and change their

16:40 genetics basically I find I allow them to get settled in a couple weeks allow the African ice queen to start laying secure the colony inside of the Lang Stroth box and then once they're all happy then I go in and I I remove their queen and depending on their attitude there's different ways that I requeen them so sometimes if they're really really nasty I might divide them like if I if it's a double deep-sized colony for instance I might divide them into five smaller nucleus colonies in order to get them to accept new queens which means I'm buying five European Queens for that one colony but they seem to have this safety in numbers kind of mentality and so if you decrease their numbers they're more than likely going to accept that new European Queen as their new mom and I wait five days so that they have no choice but you know my queen is their new new queen and then sometimes they don't like that even she they allow her to start laying eggs and then they try to supersede her right away I mean these worker these worker African ice bees are pretty amazing I respect them 100% I keep some of them I use them as donor hives they're fantastic they they brood all the way through winter as long as you feed them they will make you more and more worker bees there's no such thing as shutting down with these girls so have you ever tried instead of introducing a new queen just put a

18:12 frame of brood that maybe has a queen cell on it does that work at all well so if I took like a frame of brood from one of my European colonies yeah and gave them only my frame of brood kind of thing to raise a queen they would do that but the majority of the drones that that queen is you know that virgin queen is going to emerge and have to go fly and mate with are going to be usually African ice stock so which genetics are stronger from the queen or from the drones oh so they claim and I'm not another php steady yes they claim that the defensive behavior of a colony comes from the drone side but I'm not a hundred percent on that so it sounds like that idea just wouldn't really solve the problem yeah you need to introduce European Queens yes exactly okay so you rehab a colony that way you keep them do you sell them what do you do with them after that so I my niche is I teach I'm an educator I have beekeeping 101 I'm a mentor I have students that range from brand new to 10 years in beekeeping and I basically will resell the colonies to them I keep an average about a hundred hives for myself but yeah that's my big thing I have donor high I keep I call it donor hives I mean if you have a cat or dog that has an issue you take it into

19:43 the vet clinic and they have a donor animal to be able to draw blood from for instance and I have that same thing where I have my donor colonies where if a colony or two is having issues in a hobbyist's backyard I will go pull from my colonies and take them frames to save them so it is a lot of work I mean this is not something the average beekeeper makes a living doing I mean it's kind of an odd you know niche that I've found but it is something I see as a necessary new job for beekeepers across the nation I mean if you have patience and ability experience to educate it is really an void that needs filled I mean because you see commercial beekeepers dropping off a load of 200 nukes in an area and all these excited brand new one-time first first time you know beekeepers run and grab those nucleus colonies and then you try to reach the commercial beekeeper to say what do I do now I don't know what I'm doing while he's too busy you know taking care of their 4,000 colonies to answer a hobbyist with with all these issues and I found over the last decade of teaching I have found that individuals learn differently so I have people with PTSD I have people with ADHD I have people with glaucoma that can't see and you might be frustrated because they're telling you one thing yet if you actually go visit their colony you'll see something different they'll say I have no brood I have no brood and you know and they've been beekeeping for

21:13 a year and you go into the colony and you're like going you have seven frames of brood and you know and and you this this is honey this is brood but they can't see so you have to find a way to teach in a different manner those people the difference between a honey and a brood frame because even though the normal person might pick it up their eyesight is not registering so you'll find that as a mentor you will have these different students that require have different needs and that's what I do so my bees go into the hands of my students so you have a hundred colonies you do removals you teach you mentor sounds like you're doing this full-time yes yes yes and sometimes at all hours I'm sure people are curious a little bit about your business model where do you make the money from is it mostly teaching or what no most of the money I would say probably comes in from removals because they're Africanized bees and we have a lot of expenses involved and you doing a cutout you have to have a level of experience in order to do that cutout we charge for those so the homeowner pays a fee for the removal you might hear on the internet the Africanized bees are resistant to parasites and pathogens and that they're the ones you know they're the survivor stock and woohoo but that's not what I'm seeing today in the call the wild colonies so I am trying to pair up with some I actually am in in

22:49 the middle of talks right now to have Africanized testing on each colony that I remove along with pathogen testing so that I can document what is going on in the Africanized wild colonies because I'm not seeing all these hives be healthy I'm seeing high might loads 16 mites in one drone cell is not a good thing for a wild colony and we see that the Africanized colonies basically just abscond when there's a high might load and they might be absconding in the middle of November when there's no resources out there for them to rebuild but they got to get away so all of this stuff as things that I want to document either either in a book or on a website or somewhere to show what's happening with our our feral colonies in the Southwest and so basically with all of that we also are seeing a lot of the acute paralysis virus in these feral colonies so we're looking for answers because I think it's something that an environment that gives everything that the bees need nutritionally the bees can then fight off low-dose pesticide parasites that kind of thing the stronger they are the more they can fight that off think immune system and we've had some really odd rainfall so with the lack of rains lack of forage that kind of stuff I think that might be our answer as to why our feral colonies are not doing as well but it's something that I'm working on so when you remove a colony of these Africanized bees do you immediately do a mite check I'm curious what they're like when they're new no I don't when I'm removing

24:22 them it is very invasive yeah cutting their comb apart I'm doing all these things I do note if I visually see mites on the worker bees I do any drone brood I don't keep like that's immediately thrown to my chickens right nobody wants to raise more Africanized bees or promote the genetics in the in the field so I don't keep the drone brood but I do open it so I will use one of the honey scratching tools that hobbyists use to harvest honey I'll actually use one of those tools to open my drone brood from these removals and then I'll look to see how bad of a mite situation the colonies are having so that's what I I have not been doing the mite count and but I'm thinking I probably will start doing it I just don't like taking out 300 bees in order to do a mite count when they're already going through a transition and had a large loss to start with yeah they had their own PTSD yeah yeah tell me a little bit more about your background because you mentioned to me when we talked earlier you're a third-generation beekeeper how does that work yes so my family started beekeeping in 1936 based out of Pennsylvania my grandfather he actually I've got some really awesome photos of my dad as a baby and my grandfather over in almond pollination and so it's something that's been in the family for a long time my dad oldest of ten children he started do we

25:56 pollination services we did honey production and then he became he and my mom became some of the top queen producers in the United States so I come from a pretty strong family background I am one of the mixes so if anybody has ever heard of Dave and Linda Mixa out of Florida though that's my family so I'm the oldest of the siblings from the Mixa family so you have the genetics here yes yes it's in the blood I like it one last thing before we wrap up I'm curious what winter is like where you are I know it doesn't get all that cold but is there a lot of forage for the bees what's it like so as you you know most people know that they bees forage around 50 55 degrees and they head out to try to find resources to bring back to the colony and yes we have those temperatures almost on a daily basis during our winter and the bees find nothing so they become very they become pests to local if they're in a neighborhood or whatever I right now this morning I got three phone calls from people's hummingbird feeders being attacked by my bees and people you know they take home soda from the kids leaving sodas out and all this other stuff and so yeah they forage but they don't have it so beekeepers in Southern Arizona have to feed a lot because if they don't go into our winter with the colony weighing around a hundred pounds total equipment and honey stores around

27:29 five frames of brood and around 25,000 bees then you have to feed in order to get through winter because they're utilizing carbohydrates in order to go do that forage that they're triggered to do by our warmer climate and then they're bringing home nothing so that's basically the the magic numbers for southern Arizona so it's really not in some ways not that different than being in a cold climate as far as what they need to be prepared for winter the winter is just different right because it's just dirt for a long time yes yes yep our bees go out and work in it where yeah other bees just get to stay home and we don't have to worry about all the mold like the northern climates you know and and issues like that but we we have actual mite problems year round down here because our bees a lot of times our queen bees won't even shut down for winter because the temperatures stimulate the brood production it's not uncommon for at least a fistful size of a brood to be in the colony year round which means we're breeding mites year round yeah no brood break no brood break let me just take a minute here to thank our presenting sponsor man lake years before they became a sponsor I was buying bees supplies from them while they don't have a store near me I've had great experiences with their customer service and shipping right to my home they're passionate about bees and dedicated to helping beekeepers you can tell American made products with a

29:04 commitment to quality craftsmanship and innovation from woodenware to feeds you can trust man lake and maybe the best part man lake is offering a discount to be love beekeeping listeners click on the link in the show notes and use the special discount code to get $10 off your purchase of $100 or more okay lastly I want to hear some wild and crazy beekeeping stories that you have personally experienced or witnessed and I say wild and crazy they can also be embarrassing and painful okay so I had a really interesting removal that I did it was a large colony that attached itself to a block wall in a residential neighborhood using a tree limbs also and they were intertwined stuck on the block wall and inside this tree and instead of it looking like a nice straight comb it was more like catacomb and it was really an interesting removal especially after I got the bees back and I use the Colorado bee vac as my standard bee removal system and so the vacuum box was being emptied into a deep and as soon as I dumped the bees out I found the queen immediately picked her up and all the bees took off and left me and I'm holding the queen and I'm going hello this is a cutout you know so I am right away I'm like going here here's your mama yeah you're supposed to stay here hey sometimes you

30:39 know colonies will have two queens and it's not uncommon this can happen no problem I'm like oh they have two queens and this one doesn't have the pheromone necessary so I went and grabbed some more queen cages and for some odd reason I pocketed three queen cases in my pocket and I needed all three of them in a cutout there was four mated queens and I had never seen that before so what to do what to do so I went ahead and put made up four nucleus colonies and put the four queens and cages and four or five frame nucleus colonies and then I dumped the bees I mean like I've dumped the bees because it the there was probably around 30 40,000 bees and I thought hey this is great you know at springtime I'm gonna make four out of this one and so I dumped them evenly over top of all of the queens and the next morning when I went out they all were trying to squeeze into one box so I contacted a friend of mine you know just talking about the unique experience I said what what do you make from this four mated queens in one quality you know one colony and you know we've always heard of two possible three rare four what that what's going on with this and he said the only thing I can think of is they were lesbians I don't know if you can use that you might have to edit that part out I did not see that coming oh my gosh okay anything crazy happened to you any weird crazy stings or anything like

32:16 that I cannot stress the importance of a really good quality suit enough I really just can't I mean there's beekeeper error many times where people don't zip the suit up completely correctly and stuff like that and you know on occasion I've done I've done something silly like that too and had a you know a breach I've got some students that firmly believe they can make their own bee keeping suits and so I have to hand it to this one hobbyist brilliant the suit looked fantastic I mean like probably spent three four days on it only to realize that seven bees got into the veil part all at the same time and of course opened the veil right in the middle of doing the inspection which the hive had turned Africanized on her they had the whole the whole situation actually it was already an Africanized hive if I remember correctly she was doing everything backwards she was starting with a top bar hive and caught a feral colony and made her own B suit after taking my beekeeping 101 class and me trying to stress the importance of starting with a European colony and a great quality suit so there's some situations where some people just have to learn from themselves for through experience in order for that to stick so I tell these stories and I only hope that people hear hear that you know don't trust the Africanized colonies even though you might walk past them

33:48 constantly you might even visit open the colony up one day it just takes that one day where they change and they are unpredictably defensive and I will leave it with that was she okay did she get stings on her face she got stings in her face she sent me pictures she said it was better than Botox but luckily she was not allergic or had an allergic reaction and allergists say and the medical profession tell me that 50 stings or more is when anybody should have to worry you know at one time because that could do things to your heart and things like that so I always recommend you know the same thing at my beekeeping classes tell your doctor you have a hive and try to get an EpiPen prescription that's like a number one thing that I also try to stress is very important yeah most doctors are pretty good about that yes they are not as expensive as they used to be right yep the EpiPens I'm a big believer in what you just said beginners don't watch the videos on YouTube wear a big wear a suit head to toe if you can yes yes the main thing is it will make you so much more relaxed if you feel safe you can be relaxed you're just gonna have a much better experience with the bees if you're relaxed yes and with that said that does remind me that I want to do a bee removal on a second-story house by cutting through the drywall of the boys bedroom it had a couple boys living in one bedroom and

35:21 one of the 14 year old son the oldest boy said mom you do not have to hire this lady why pay her when I can do it I'll do it for free mom I've watched the lady aunt I've watched the YouTube videos I can do it how many people show up in the emergency room because of that it worries me a lot I I know I'm it does it me too you know and I've heard it firsthand from the public I mean I just really stress the importance of knowing not to oh yeah that's a whole nother topic okay we won't get into that today Monica if anybody wants to find you where do they get you you can reach out to me at Monica M King calm and I have a YouTube channel at Kings Titan homestead all right and we'll have that website in the show notes to Monica King thank you so much for being with me today it's been fun thank you for having me it it has thank you now we're going all the way to Toulouse France to hear about a really cool new beekeeping product from Damien and hey just one quick word Damien is French he has a strong French accent you will be able to understand him if you listen closely so give him a little bit of grace and let's listen to Damien I'll be keeping the world actually use a traditional smoker in my activity for me use a traditional smoker it's so

36:52 difficult for me it's difficult in first time to turn on correctly to keep it lit yes yes we all run into that I have two other problems with traditional smokers I've gotten better at lighting them and keeping them lit but if I'm only getting into one or two hives well once it's going it wants to go for another hour or something what do I do with it then the other thing that we have where I am is we have fire danger in the summer and it makes me very nervous what if I accidentally knocked over the smoker and it opened up and started to fire or something so it's very old technology I mean as old as fire and beekeeping basically so tell me what you've come up with yeah yes fire risk is very important for me too for example in Seuss was French it's fire ban and it's forbidden to use a smoker during a summer period because the visitation is so dry and the risk of fire it's it's so much important for me it's it's it's a big risk and in in so many parts in the world it's is a risk is very important too I know that you have invented something we have overcomes this problem tell me what you

38:26 have invented yes for resolve this problem I have created one product is Hapisolis and he work without combustion sometimes I said it's the first smokeless smoker it's very easy to turn on and turn off and it work without combustion it's a product for for beekeepers for me it's it's it's a future of beekeeping this product it's not just a product safe it's very easier to to use and with this product I say sometimes all have evolved in beekeeping but except it's a traditional smoker it's a central tool in beekeeping it's for me it's it's a bridge it's a bridge between beekeeper and bees when I use a traditional smoker I have a good interaction with bees or not my answer it's not when I use a traditional smoker I use a smock and smoke it toxic for bees and toxic for me and I love bees and I want to have a better interaction with bees when I want to create that I want to create a perfect bridge between a beekeeper and the bees if I understand better the communication system

39:59 communication of bees I can make a better formulation for speak with bees in my mind it's that I want to speak with bees at the end so communicating with the bees I love that so how does your your aposolus vaporizer work you call it a smokeless smoker does that mean you're not lighting anything on fire yes is there smoke going across the bees or I mean you call it a vaporizer what kind of vapor are the bees getting for makes a vapor I use the same technology like a vape and I use propylene glycol it's safe for human and for bees I use two active molecules already for each by bees and these two molecules you can find this molecule in lavender and rose with this molecule we can reduce significantly the aggression of the bees sounds like with lavender and rose it probably even smells good yes for those that are listening it's difficult to picture exactly what you've created but in the show notes we'll have a link to your website I think it sounds really interesting I haven't used it yet I can't wait to try it out thank you so much for joining us here on bee love bee keeping

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