The Final 4 Decisions New Beekeepers Need To Make (Part 3)

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping

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presented by our great friends over at Man Lake.

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Today we're concluding our discussion with the

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two giggliest beekeepers around, I hope that's

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a word, giggliest beekeepers around, Kim and

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Steph. We will finish up our top 10 list of decisions

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to make before you take the leap into beekeeping,

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plus hear their wild and crazy beekeeping adventure

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that they had while doing a live video over social

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media. You won't want to miss the fun, but first

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let's take a minute to go Inside the Hive, this

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feature presented by Primal Bee. Did you know

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that beeswax doesn't come from flowers? Bees

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make it from their own bodies. Young workers,

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between about 12 and 18 days old, have glands

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on the underside of their bellies that produce

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tiny clear flakes of wax, each one about the

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size of a pinhead. The bee grabs a flake, chews

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it soft with her mandibles, and carefully places

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it wherever the colony is building. Thousands

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of bees doing this one flake at a time is how

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you get comb. The engineering is absolutely wild.

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Honeycomb is made of perfect hexagons. This shape

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uses the least wax to create the most storage

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space. Mathematicians have been fascinated by

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it for centuries. Here's the expensive part.

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Bees need to eat about six to eight pounds of

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honey to produce one pound of wax. So when you

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see fresh white comb or wax cappings in a hive,

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you're looking at a serious investment. That's

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why experienced beekeepers treat drawn comb like

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gold. It's not just wax. It's thousands of flower

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visits converted to nectar, converted to honey,

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converted to wax. one tiny flake at a time. Next

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time on Inside the Hive, we'll discover how bees

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run their own air conditioning system in the

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summer heat. Now, let's get back to Kim and Steph.

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Okay, as long as we're on kind of the mindset

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thing, let's discuss a little bit about how do

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you feel about bees? Is there a fear going into

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this? Are you sure you're not allergic to bee

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venom for starters? What else on that line should

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people think about? I would say my first year,

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I did not have any type of fear. I wasn't stung.

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I had a beautiful experience, which can be good

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and bad. because the next year will be much different,

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can be very different. And unfortunately, you

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don't know your tolerance to stings until it

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happens. So again, wearing proper PPE is very

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important. Getting checked out if you feel if

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you've gotten stung and you feel you've had a

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certain reaction, you want to go get checked

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out immediately. What else? I think you should

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be honest with yourself about how much time you're

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willing to put into it. I think that's important

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that you to know how much time are you willing

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to put into this for your bees and for yourself

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because it is time consuming. Yeah, that's good

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advice. Are you two the type that are just normally

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very calm like the first time you were around

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bees? Did you feel very calm or did you feel

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some anxiety? I was definitely anxious. there's

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a lot of energy when you're going into your hive

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for the first time whether it's nervous energy

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or oh my gosh is this so cool kind of energy

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but i was apprehensive because i i knew like

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this thing could potentially be you know i could

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hurt them they could in turn hurt me so i was

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apprehensive for sure i went into it a little

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more calm Learned kind of what we talked on earlier

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that my mindset has everything to do with how

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my visit in the bee yard is gonna go if I go

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in nervous and anxious I'm not gonna have a good

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visit if I go in without love in my heart I'm

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not gonna in turn show my bees that same love

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that they they show us so I Just have to take

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a moment even now to this day before I go into

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the bee yard I just take a moment to collect

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myself and say We're going in with the bees.

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We need to be calm. They can pick up on that

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So let's make it a beautiful day and we go in

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and we have a great time but always I always

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take that moment to make sure that my mind is

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calm and That's where I'm out with it now Kim,

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how about you? I went into it a little more calm

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a little I wasn't nervous. I just thought it

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was amazing, but I have gained a lot of respect

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for bees, and each experience that you have is

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going to be different. And when you do get stung,

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which will happen, and you just learn to try

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to get through it, the bees are doing what they

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do. And you want to try to be as calm as possible.

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Because if you're calm, it does help, as Steph

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said, your mindset can affect how they react.

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And you want to have respect because at the end

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of the day they're still wild creatures that

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you cannot control. So we can talk about how

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they act during the season but you'll get that

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couple weeks in the summer where there's a dearth

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and you've got a whole different kind of bee

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behavior going on and you want to be able to

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recognize that and if you're a backyard beekeeper

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and you and you need to check your your hive

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that week and you open that hive and they're

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just coming at you, they're not having it, then

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you have to respect that and think, you know

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what? I'm just going to close it up and I'm going

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to leave and I'll check a different time. They're

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just not, they're just not having it. You don't

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want to force it if, you know, if you can help

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that. I love that. Commercial beekeepers don't

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have that luxury like hobbyists do. And so if

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you have the time, it's really nice to be able

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to do that. We forgot to talk about how many

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beehives should someone start with a beginner?

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Because the natural tendency is I want to get

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one. See how it goes. I'm a big fan of let's

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get two. Two is a great place to start with because

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What if something happens to one of them? That's

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always everybody's like fear. And it might, I

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mean, honestly, it could happen, but having to,

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you also learn a lot. You can see what is this

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high doing? What is this high doing? And kind

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of compare them. Also, it's just, I think it's

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so much fun to have two highs. There's just a

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huge learning experience having them. How about

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starting with 10 or 20? Oh, yeah, don't start

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with 10 or 20. That's a way to not want to be

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a key. Although we kind of did that because when

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we were at our location in Pennsylvania, we would

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take the packages that weren't doing well that

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we didn't sell and we would try to. We would

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just try to help them survive. So we kind of

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took on a little more than we probably should

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have just because we're trying to get the bees

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a fighting chance for sure. But I would recommend

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for most everybody else. I understand that cost

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is definitely something to consider and. You

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want to just start with one because of course,

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it's so expensive But ultimately having at least

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two will help you because you never know if you're

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going to need to take resources From a hive to

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help one that maybe is failing or not doing as

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well. I completely agree Also, if you only had

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one Whatever it does you would think is normal

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That's exactly yeah, and it may not be Mm -hmm

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I started with two and the kind of Langstroth

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boxes that I have or had at that time, they had

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the regular entrance in the bottom and they had

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a small entrance at the top also, which is fairly

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normal. One of the hives would only use the top

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entrance for some reason. So I would have thought

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that that was normal if that was the only hive

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that I had. You wouldn't have now. But they were

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just... Yeah, they were just goofy bees and they

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just did that. So we're going to be wrapping

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up here pretty soon. One of the other things

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that I think can go with your why you get into

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beekeeping is also take a good look at what are

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my long -term goals? Do I want to always have

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two hives because maybe it'll help my allergies?

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Do I want to get to a point where I'm making

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a little bit of money at it? Do I want to get

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to a point where maybe it's a full -time business?

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Or as you were saying, I want to make some skincare

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products. What advice do you have for people

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to really look ahead and set some goals right

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off the bat? Well, just keep in mind that if

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your bees overwinter and they come through winter

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strong and the queen starts laying, then in spring,

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you're going to want to make what's called a

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split, which obviously we'll have to touch on

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that another time. But essentially you'd be turning

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one colony into two. So right away you'll have

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two. So you want to make sure that you wouldn't

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get ahead of yourself. If you go over winter

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with four hives and that's all you wanted, but

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come spring all those hives did well, you're

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looking at potentially eight hives, which is

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more money. more time, more resources. It could

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be a little bit above what you feel comfortable

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in. You may also live in a place where you just

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don't have space for more than a couple of hives.

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That's true. Like in my example here, I have

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four hives, but I can't have them in my yard.

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So my bee yard is separate from where I'm at.

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How did you find that other bee yard? Because

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lots of people might have to do that. So I was

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lucky and we had a family member who has a lot

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of property and a lot of it they don't use. They're

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not utilizing other than just to walk around

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and such. So we were lucky enough to be able

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to put our bees there. So family was our option,

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thankfully. What if you live in a city? Hmm Well,

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I mean again, you'd have to check with your county

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to see but a lot of people I know that if you

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can in your your county you can do rooftop beekeeping

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Which is something I thought of so there's there's

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that or I mean you can I don't know maybe reach

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out to Some other places to see if you could

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put your hives on there on their property I know

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some schools in such will allow for that Are

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you planning on expanding your apiary this year?

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because if you end up with your hives doing really

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well and You cannot keep all of those on your

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property Having someone local that could maybe

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take them for you. You could make nukes out of

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them You could also use it as an opportunity

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to make some money if that Would be something

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you did more research and looking into All right.

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Let's wrap up with a couple of other things and

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that is just in general, things that we've left

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out, such as preparing for potential predators,

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what else should people be thinking about? Prepare

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for having honey. You're going to want to look

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at the containers you're going to want to get.

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Are you going to want to label your honey if

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you get honey? Can you sell your honey where

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you're at? What's behind that for you? So you

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definitely need to look at what you're going

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to do with your honey. How are you going to extract

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it? Are you going to do it by hand? Are you going

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to put it in an extractor? So I think that's

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important. Like you're going to have some product

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at some point. What are we going to do with it?

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And of course, you want to look into electric

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fencing wherever you may have your bees. I can

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speak from experience that maybe the bees or

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maybe the bear don't find your bees that first

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year. Maybe they don't find them the second year,

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but they will find them eventually. And they

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will wreak havoc all over the bee yard. And that's

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something that's devastating. for anyone that's

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involved. So of course you don't want anything

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to happen to your bees, but all that money and

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all that time you may have spent putting your

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equipment together. So that is another expensive

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investment, but one that is extremely important.

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And is there anything besides bears we need to

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watch out for? Because a lot of people live where

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there's no bears. You can watch out for other

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people. We've had instances where people take

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hides that don't belong to them. You could have

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other predators such as, I said, skunk or raccoon

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come by. Oh, could be mice. Yeah, oh, mice. Mice

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are going to be careful. Get yourself a mouse

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guard in the winter. Yeah. Oh, and the don't

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forget the European hornet. So and the yellow

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jackets for in robbing season, which is another

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topic we could probably talk all day. And again,

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if you're in touch with local beekeepers, you'll

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hear about some of that and how to prepare for

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those kinds of things because predators aren't

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all big. Some are little and also fly. And some

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are even birds and things like that. Do either

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of you have a fun, wild and crazy story you'd

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like to share with us? Well, we do have quite

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the story. Steph and I go live on Man Lakes TikTok

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every Thursday afternoon. We try to do for 12

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Eastern time. We were told to go live, funny

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enough, during a dearth. And this is when we

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did live hive inspections. And we set the camera

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up, went live. I'm inspecting the bees. They're

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not really appreciating it, but all is well at

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the moment. Steph decided that she wanted to

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try a new veil that she really liked, and she

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wanted to see what it was like. However, it wasn't

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connected to her jacket, and the zipper part,

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I don't think, was pulled up all the way. And

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as I'm inspecting and trying to focus, she is

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getting stung in the head. So she had gotten

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stung once, and you know, let me know. We just

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kept going. But of course, that pheromone had

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been released and she got stung probably eight

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more times as I'm trying to go live and the hive

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is open and did not know how to handle that.

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So had to wrap up the live and not and thinking

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back, maybe we should have included that in the

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live stuff is that's a real thing that happens

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to beekeepers. I mean, it does. But I didn't

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know how to handle it. So I kind of just hit

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it and did it and then tended to stuff. I wanted

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to make sure she was OK. She was. Yeah. Right.

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And we jumped right back into it. We within like

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15 minutes, I think we are back to her. I had

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her up. We made sure all the stingers were out.

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She didn't have any bad reactions, which was

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what we were most concerned about with that many.

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I know it's hot. We're in August T. Pennsylvania.

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heat. So that was quite an experience, which

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we do talk about now fondly, but at the time

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was pretty scary. Now we just laugh about it.

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Well, I don't know. I do. And if you had left

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that in, you would have had a lot more views

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on that video. I know we say that all the time.

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How we regret that because we would have got

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so many more views for sure. But I was more concerned

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with her realize she's being a very good friend.

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Well, you guys are brave doing live stuff. This

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podcast is not live. I guess I'm just not as

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brave as you guys. Or I'm not as talented. I

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need editing to fix stuff. No, no, you'd be great.

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Yeah. All right. I'm coming on your live sometime.

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I would love to have you for sure. I hope you

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do. I hope you do too. Be a disaster. Okay. Hey,

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any other last thoughts? I do want to say thank

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you so much for having us. This has been so fantastic.

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Never thought I'd be on a HUD cast. So this has

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been just made my made my year actually. Thank

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you. This was a lot of fun. I was a little nervous

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going into it, but you are so sweet and just

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getting us to talk. We are talking about what

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we love, which is actually beginning beekeeper.

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We love talking. We have a lot of knowledge in

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beginning bee keepings and a lot of people we

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talk to over the phone are calling for the first

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time asking questions about how do I get bees

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and what do I need to do. So we just we love

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to talk to them and let them know that have fun

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with it first and foremost. Yes, it can be scary.

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You can get some anxiety with it. It costs a

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lot. But ultimately, we just want the backyard

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beekeeper to have fun as we have fun. Absolutely.

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All right Kim and Steph, thank you so much for

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your time. It is fun. Sometimes we take beekeeping

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too seriously. It's fun, it's about the love,

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and one other thing that I was going to throw

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out for advice is get the family involved. This

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doesn't have to just be you. It can be the spouse,

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the kids, the grandkids, the whoever. It's fun

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to get other people together doing this with

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you. Absolutely. Find a beekeeping buddy for

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sure. All right, take care you two. Thank you

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so much. Thanks again for joining us on Bee Love

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