New Beehive Design - 120 R-Value, Twice The Honey

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bee's needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love, Be Keep

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being presented by Man Lake. we're going over

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to Europe again today to discuss a whole new

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kind of beehive design that creators claim can

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cut your winter colony losses down to five percent

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and double your honey yield. And our guest's

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wild and crazy beekeeping story is one for the

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ages. But first in beekeeping related news, a

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really sad story out of Ireland. Board -winning

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longtime beekeeper Kathleen Devine dies after

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suffering multiple stings. This was just earlier

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this week and details are still a little sketchy.

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One report has her being stung only twice. Another

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says it may have been up to 20 times. Either

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way, how does someone who's been beekeeping for

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decades suddenly die from a few stings? Well,

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here's what we do know. Kathleen was in her early

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70s and had recently taken a step back from beekeeping

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because she had quote, suffered some reactions

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from stings. Early Monday evening she went to

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help another beekeeper with his hives and that's

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when it all happened. She received stings, had

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a reaction, and was transferred by air ambulance

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to a hospital where she passed away. A post mortem

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examination will be carried out. I guess it's

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just a really sobering reminder that even though

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you haven't been allergic to bee stings in the

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past, you can develop an allergy in the future.

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If you have reactions, especially new ones, don't

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take them lightly. Seek proper medical advice.

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These situations are rare but they do happen

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so be careful out there and consider having an

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EpiPen on hand just in case. Mrs. Devine and

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her husband Des were hobby beekeepers. well loved

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by the local beekeeping community. They had won

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numerous prizes for their honey at various agricultural

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shows country -wide. Sympathies and prayers for

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her and her family at this time. On a more upbeat

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note, British and Danish researchers have just

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engineered a super food to protect honey bees

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from growing threats. Their results are published

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in the weekly science and technology journal

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Nature. The work we did here represents a major

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technology breakthrough for the beekeeping industry

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and for food security and global pollination,"

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noted University of Oxford researcher Professor

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Geraldine Wright. The scientists first identified

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the key compounds in pollen that benefit bees

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which involve six plant sterols. They then genetically

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engineered a strain of yeast to produce a precise

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mixture of these ingredients in a sustainable

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and affordable way. The colonies fed the superfood

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thrived and boosted reproduction when compared

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to the control group. There's a lot of scientific

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details. If you're interested, we'll post a link

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to the study in the show notes. Okay, let's get

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to our interview. By the way, if you like awesome

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Italian accents, you're going to love what's

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coming up. Hey, I'd like to welcome to the show

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today super special guest all the way coming

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to us from Italy, Alex Scamberoni. How are you

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doing today? I'm fine, I'm really very happy.

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I will harvest my last honey flow next Friday

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with the Primal Beehive in the mountains. So

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far so good. And we're going to be talking about

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Primal Beehive. That's one thing that I love

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doing on this show is finding out about new products

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and new ways to do things before we jump into

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that. I want to get into a little bit of your

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history. Tell me what got you into beekeeping

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and when, and then we'll kind of go from there.

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Yeah, actually, it's pretty easy. In my home

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village, we have two long, very long standing

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traditions, centuries old tradition. One is the

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silkworms. No one is working with silkworms in

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my area anymore. But beekeeping, oh, that's for

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sure. So since I was in elementary school, my

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mother would use it to buy honey from local beekeepers.

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And I always loved the smell of the beeswax of

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the honey. We mainly have two blossoms here,

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two main nectar flow. One is the acacia and the

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other one is the sweet chestnut, which is my

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preferred honey. So yeah. Years ago when I had

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finally time free time because I closed my machine

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tools company and I started to keep bees just

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for fun It was love at first sight. It was also

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a dream come true because Really where every

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time I I was making breakfast with the milk and

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honey from my local beekeepers I was always thinking

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I should have my own bees. So as soon as I was

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able but it was 2006, so almost 20 years ago,

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I started keeping bees by my own. So before we

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started recording, you were telling me about

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this sweet chestnut honey. Describe the flavor.

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What's it like? When it's really, really harvested

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at the right moment, it's really dense, dark.

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It's not black, but it's pretty brown, dark brown,

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and it has kind of two sensations the first one

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when you start testing it mainly is the sweet

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part of the chestnut that comes to you but then

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when it goes down into the throat it became I'll

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just say you said before spicy spicy and it's

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a kind of a second experience after a few seconds

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that that was I really like the most and yeah

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it's a It's everywhere here because from the

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hill behind my village up to the mountains in

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Switzerland, this part of the Alps, the valley

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that goes from the Lago Maggiore up to the main

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ridge of the Alps, it's full of sweet chestnut

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forest. So it's something that we really like

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a lot in the area, both on the Italian and on

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the Switzerland side. Here in the U .S. there's

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a thing called hot honey now. It's a spicy honey,

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but people are doing it by infusing things like

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jalapeno peppers in their honey. And it's really

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good, but I think it's a lot more fun when it

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just comes directly from the bees with whatever

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flavor it is. There's just something very special

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about that. What other kinds of things do they

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forage on in your area? The very first blossom

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is the wild cherry, following with apricots.

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And then we also have another English word for

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dandelion. Dandelion. Dandelion. And then we

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have acacia, on which we usually harvest honey.

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After acacia, we have wild flowers, different

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kind. And then it depends from the season. It

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could be late June, beginning of July, we have

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the sweet chestnut. Here, at the end of the Alps

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and the foothill, it's almost the last blossom

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that we have. Then we move up in the mountains,

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our colonies, to have a second wave of sweet

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chestnut and wild flowers until beginning of

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September, more or less. That's mainly what happened

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during the blossoming season. We go to the mountains

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because it's a time machine, it's a dramatic

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operation. So we go back in time to harvest more,

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at least to forage, to have the bee foraging

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on natural flowers and not feeding syrup so early

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in the season. Now climate -wise, how cold is

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it where you are? What are the winters like?

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It depends, but on average, we have winters that

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can be as cold as minus seven, minus 10 Celsius.

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that is about 14 degrees fahrenheit and then

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we have a hot summer that can be as hot as 36

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celsius which is kind of i think close to 90

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or 100 fahrenheit very humid okay and so that's

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a huge range did you find that you had a lot

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of winter die -off At the beginning, yes, and

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the problem was related to the dissipation of

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the hive. Nowadays, still, people using the dandt

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langstroth hives, they are used to feed not less

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than 26, even more, sometimes even 50 liters

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of syrup to overwinter colonies. And this comes

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with other problems like nosema disease because

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of those very liquid syrups. Since the first

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industrial prototype that we built, Giammario

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and I with Primal B, we went down to less than

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10 liters of CO2 over winter colony. And we also

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reduced the winter losses at the same time. In

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the actual version of the Primal B hive and the

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test that we did last winter, we went down to

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no more than 4 liters of syrup and less than

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10 % of colony losses. Actually, last winter

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we lost less than 5%. But on average, I'm comfortable

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to say that we can work with less than 10 % colony

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losses during the winter time. So I live in an

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area where the common losses is at least 50 %

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per year. It's just, it's very, very, it's very,

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very cold here in the winter and a lot of snow.

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And if your bees are weak, you know, from Varroa

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or whatever, or don't have enough food, they

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just, they just don't survive period. Now you

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were telling me previously that your first three

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years or so in beekeeping, you had a lot of losses.

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100%. Yeah. 100 % is a lot. And that was what

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led you and your partner into thinking there's

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got to be a better way. Tell me that story. How

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did that all come about? Yeah, actually, again,

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I had a wife and three small kids and I was not

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able to enjoy my family because of my previous

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job. I founded and owned a machine tools company

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with my brother and we were working. too much,

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too many hours, even all weekends. So when I

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decided with my brother to quit the company,

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to have a better lifetime, and I started to keep

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busy, I told Gianmario and he said, okay, let's

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do it together so we can spend more time together

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because Gianmario and I, we met at high school

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and I mean, you cannot choose your brothers,

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but if I could, it would have been John Mario.

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So we were always looking for each other to spend

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time in the mountains, climbing ice falls, ski

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touring, whatever it could be in the mountains.

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And bees in our area, they really were the first

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excuse to meet each other more often and to be

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outside in the outdoors. So we started together.

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But At the very beginning, as you said, for three

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years in a row, we lost everything. We were buying

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B package, not B package, nucleus at the beginning

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of spring. And we tried to harvest honey. We

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were not able to harvest even one drop of honey.

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And then by November, more or less, in the best

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case, it could have been January, all of our

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colony died. So we were really close to give

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up and then it was the fourth year and a friend

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of mine called me, the guy Herman from German

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origin, he is a professional tree climber and

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he was cutting down a huge cedar tree in a beautiful

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centuries old villa. in the park of this villa

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and he called me because he's allergic and he

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said, look, there is a swarm of bees here. I

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cannot do my job. People are paying me to do

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this job I cannot do. So just run, come here,

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grab the swarm and let me work. And when I arrived,

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that was not a swarm. That was a huge colony

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inside this incredible, huge hollow tree. I'm

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talking about a tree that was two meter maybe

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more at the bottom and up to 12 more or less

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12 meters high there was this hole in the in

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the hole tree and literally a black pipe of bees

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coming in and out pretty angry because chainsaw

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is not something they like they like so I was

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I was a fool actually because when I saw that

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thing I was thinking probably this is a I don't

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know, kind of a better strain of a queen. So

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with Hermann, he literally opened a one -meter

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door with the chain so that we were pushing the

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chain into the hollow tree until we saw honey

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coming in, not chips. And also I called Gianmario.

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Gianmario was giving a lecture at the university,

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and I remember him telling to the classroom.

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Okay, guys, the lesson is over. I have more important

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stuff to do. And one hour later, he was showing

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up in the place where Herman and I were trying

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to understand what was going on inside the tree.

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If you're a beekeeper like me, we're getting

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into that favorite time of year, honey harvest.

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move a colony that was with combs that were more

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than one meter high and there was four or six

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those huge combs and and we were trying to move

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this colony into the dam which is pretty much

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the same of a Langstroth wooden hive and now

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when I look back of this event I cannot believe

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how full I was because even in terms of volume

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that doesn't fit that it was not possible. we

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killed that colony actually and that was very

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very sad. Gianmario didn't sleep he went back

00:17:24.539 --> 00:17:28.160
to his lab and the day after he woke me up telling

00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:31.559
me we need to change the box because what we

00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:35.819
really what he really did was to redesign everything

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in a three -dimensional software where he can

00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:45.640
assign mechanical and thermal property to every

00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.240
component that he designed. He designed the holotree,

00:17:48.460 --> 00:17:51.160
the combs and the bees in a way that he could

00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.799
apply mathematical simulation, mainly Navier

00:17:55.799 --> 00:18:00.519
-Stroke's equation to understand what was going

00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.259
on inside, starting from the idea that they need

00:18:04.259 --> 00:18:09.619
to keep energy in a better way in order to have

00:18:09.619 --> 00:18:13.480
those huge combs that we saw. the following morning

00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:18.440
when he woke me up he told me look in your email

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so I look at the email and I saw this drawing

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that he built with the mathematical simulation

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and the drawing was showing me a different shape

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mainly a different shape of a comb compared to

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the dead ant we were working with the same day

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we started prototyping something that was kind

00:18:39.619 --> 00:18:43.789
of simulation of the hollow tree And from that

00:18:43.789 --> 00:18:47.210
moment on, we built many, many different kinds

00:18:47.210 --> 00:18:51.750
of prototypes, even from concrete. And you can

00:18:51.750 --> 00:18:57.789
imagine an empty hive made of concrete, 80 kilo

00:18:57.789 --> 00:19:01.690
of a prototype. And we were trying to move those

00:19:01.690 --> 00:19:05.269
empty hives waiting, just the hardware was waiting

00:19:05.269 --> 00:19:09.210
80 kilo. And then we put bees inside and swarm

00:19:09.210 --> 00:19:13.380
and testing. we started really seeing differences

00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:19.240
in the colony behavior. So we improved our prototype

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and then as he was and he still was last year

00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:27.220
a professor at university in Lugano, we were

00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:31.720
allowed to apply mainly from what is the Swiss

00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:35.990
startup ecosystem. We realized after me visiting

00:19:35.990 --> 00:19:39.430
the U .S. relatives and traveling and asking

00:19:39.430 --> 00:19:42.589
to meet beekeepers in the U .S., we realized

00:19:42.589 --> 00:19:45.569
that we may have a business opportunity or something

00:19:45.569 --> 00:19:48.789
that eventually could be good for the beekeeping

00:19:48.789 --> 00:19:54.029
community worldwide. But we like the money, so

00:19:54.029 --> 00:19:57.349
we applied for competition, kind of the shark

00:19:57.349 --> 00:20:03.019
tanks that you have in the U .S. pretty much

00:20:03.019 --> 00:20:06.640
everything that we could win in the ecosystem

00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.779
in Switzerland. And with that money, we built

00:20:09.779 --> 00:20:13.500
better prototypes and we traveled extensively,

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I may say, for three weeks from Southern California

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to Vancouver Island and from Baltimore to Atlanta

00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:26.019
in three weeks, meeting every beekeeper that

00:20:26.019 --> 00:20:30.019
was willing to meet us, hobbyists, sideliners,

00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:33.359
commercials. Everybody that was willing to meet

00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.819
us, we were willing to spend our time and sharing

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our experience and learning along the way. So

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when we came back, we decided to build something

00:20:42.640 --> 00:20:46.799
better from the previous prototype. And we made

00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:50.900
the mistake to think that that could be the product

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to put on the market. And we really under evaluated

00:20:53.980 --> 00:20:57.500
the amount of time, the amount of effort and

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the amount of money that we needed. to enter

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a market and then the pandemic hit and with the

00:21:03.509 --> 00:21:07.849
pandemic we were in where I live I live less

00:21:07.849 --> 00:21:13.289
than one hour from the very hot spot first hot

00:21:13.289 --> 00:21:17.509
spot of the pandemic in Europe because I am between

00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:20.250
Milano and Lugano between Italy and Switzerland

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and the first hot spot was a small village just

00:21:24.569 --> 00:21:28.049
south was from Milano so we were stuck in our

00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:32.779
houses no not allowed even to go outside in our

00:21:32.779 --> 00:21:37.859
street we decided to do something and to redesign

00:21:37.859 --> 00:21:40.819
everything from scratch this time knowing what

00:21:40.819 --> 00:21:44.720
the performance could be but also scaling down

00:21:44.720 --> 00:21:47.700
the manufacturing cost. Because before the pandemic,

00:21:48.140 --> 00:21:51.779
when we realized that we can really deliver something

00:21:51.779 --> 00:21:55.180
better for the colony, we traveled also to test

00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:58.380
our solution. So we delivered some of the previous

00:21:58.380 --> 00:22:02.960
version in the very hot Negev desert in Israel,

00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.779
but also we over winter colony in Alaska, few

00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:11.089
hours. westward from Anchorage on the Kinaipan

00:22:11.089 --> 00:22:15.609
Isola. And when we were able to talk again, to

00:22:15.609 --> 00:22:18.569
travel again and meeting potential suppliers

00:22:18.569 --> 00:22:24.670
in US and in Europe, we knew that we could deliver

00:22:24.670 --> 00:22:29.750
a good hive, a primal bee hive at a fair retail

00:22:29.750 --> 00:22:34.769
price and all the related activity that we needed

00:22:34.769 --> 00:22:36.980
to do. I just want to catch up and make sure

00:22:36.980 --> 00:22:40.039
we're on the same page here. So we've got a couple

00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:44.500
of brothers living in Italy in Switzerland and

00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:48.180
the winter is killing off your bees and then

00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:53.420
you come across this giant hive in a hollow tree

00:22:53.420 --> 00:22:57.690
end up cutting it apart and realize None of the

00:22:57.690 --> 00:23:00.650
beehives being made right now are good old buddy

00:23:00.650 --> 00:23:04.130
Langstroth. It doesn't fit what bees actually

00:23:04.130 --> 00:23:07.990
do inside a hollow tree. So that's what we're

00:23:07.990 --> 00:23:10.490
going to do. And we're going to figure out how

00:23:10.490 --> 00:23:13.410
to do it. So so a couple of you guys, are you

00:23:13.410 --> 00:23:16.380
both engineers or just? Your brother. Gianmario

00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:21.420
is an engineer. I am by college. I am a mechanic,

00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:25.559
a mechanical technician. I was used to design

00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:29.440
machine tools, huge CNC machine tools. So our

00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.859
background is both mechanical, but I was more

00:23:31.859 --> 00:23:34.440
on the manufacturing side and Gianmario was more

00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.500
on the theoretical and simulation side of the

00:23:37.500 --> 00:23:40.140
mechanical stuff. So you guys know how to design

00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:42.789
and build things. And you came up with what sounds

00:23:42.789 --> 00:23:45.450
like a good design. At what point did you say,

00:23:46.170 --> 00:23:49.210
hey, this thing weighs way, way, way, way too

00:23:49.210 --> 00:23:51.930
much to be practical. We're going to shift to

00:23:51.930 --> 00:23:55.089
polystyrene. What made you think that's the material

00:23:55.089 --> 00:23:59.170
you wanted to use? Actually, it's a bit different.

00:24:00.009 --> 00:24:03.230
First, thanks to John Mario's simulation and

00:24:03.230 --> 00:24:07.529
then to the first prototype that we did, we realized

00:24:07.529 --> 00:24:12.640
that we have a good explanation. about the whole

00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:16.640
system. So the colony, the bees, the hardware

00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:20.039
where you keep the bees, the hive and the outside

00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.880
temperature, the outside environment, which means

00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.920
mainly temperature and seasonality. From that

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:31.940
good explanation, we then decided to build something

00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:35.940
and we can build with different materials. But

00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:40.890
when we went down to manufacturing cost, I grade,

00:24:41.250 --> 00:24:45.150
high density, food grade EPS. It's a technology

00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:50.730
that is mature, I may say, and can be used at

00:24:50.730 --> 00:24:54.950
scale. So when we were thinking about the U .S.

00:24:55.150 --> 00:24:58.309
market and the huge number that bees are in the

00:24:58.309 --> 00:25:00.490
U .S. market and in North America, generally

00:25:00.490 --> 00:25:04.430
speaking, we realized that we really need something

00:25:04.430 --> 00:25:08.309
that can be used at scale. And so we started

00:25:08.309 --> 00:25:11.400
the partnering up with one of the best companies

00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:16.440
in Europe. They are now our first supplier and

00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:20.140
they manage that technology very well. They manage

00:25:20.140 --> 00:25:22.680
the technology so well that they are now helping

00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:27.160
us to move the manufacturing into the U .S. And

00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.880
this is not only because of the wonderful tariff

00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:35.619
that we love so much. Yeah, but also because

00:25:35.619 --> 00:25:39.250
even before that, we are paying transportation

00:25:39.250 --> 00:25:41.049
costs because now we are shipping containers

00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:43.769
from Europe to the US and this is killing us

00:25:43.769 --> 00:25:47.130
in terms of cost and time to deliver. So the

00:25:47.130 --> 00:25:50.309
idea to move the manufacturing process in the

00:25:50.309 --> 00:25:54.589
US was born more than one year ago when we closed

00:25:54.589 --> 00:25:58.410
our seed round and then we waited to have the

00:25:58.410 --> 00:26:02.500
first good and not good feedback from the early

00:26:02.500 --> 00:26:06.539
adopters in the US, not only hobbyist, but also

00:26:06.539 --> 00:26:09.539
commercial guy, because there are a few features

00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:12.240
that we really need to change in order to allow

00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:15.500
those people to work with Primal B and to take

00:26:15.500 --> 00:26:20.240
advantage of the results. So now we are planning

00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:22.880
to have manufacturing up and running by the end

00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.059
of the year in the US. Hopefully, we will be

00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:29.720
able to deliver from the US in February. On the

00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.640
video version of this podcast, I'm going to insert

00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.200
some pictures of what this actually looks like

00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:37.880
for those that are just listening to the audio.

00:26:38.140 --> 00:26:42.019
I want you to describe what does your hive actually

00:26:42.019 --> 00:26:44.299
look like because it doesn't look like a regular

00:26:44.299 --> 00:26:47.819
Langstroth hive or even a top bar hive. Yeah

00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:51.740
okay in the primal bee hive we changed the nest

00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:53.900
and the nest only this is the first things that

00:26:53.900 --> 00:26:56.500
people need to know there's no need to change

00:26:56.500 --> 00:26:59.480
extraction equipment for our vesting honey because

00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:03.460
we can put supers above the nest as usual and

00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:08.160
in our supers the beekeeper can still use the

00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:11.480
deep or the medium langstroth frames that he's

00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:15.259
already working with. But the nest itself is

00:27:15.259 --> 00:27:19.400
a different shape because the shape of the nest

00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:24.490
really, really matters. in terms of thermal efficiency.

00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:27.710
It's much more the shape than the insulation.

00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:32.329
You can insulate a lag strut or a double dip

00:27:32.329 --> 00:27:36.029
as much as you want, as much as you can, but

00:27:36.029 --> 00:27:39.130
you cannot go... even closer to the performance

00:27:39.130 --> 00:27:43.710
that we can achieve using LA Primal B Nest which

00:27:43.710 --> 00:27:47.529
is made by eight frames with the trapezoidal

00:27:47.529 --> 00:27:55.170
shape they are as high as 70 centimeters 700

00:27:55.170 --> 00:27:59.309
millimeters and you have this trapezoidal shape

00:27:59.309 --> 00:28:02.109
because especially at the spring at the end of

00:28:02.109 --> 00:28:06.809
the winter in the spring build up The upper part

00:28:06.809 --> 00:28:11.210
of our frames provide a larger surface for the

00:28:11.210 --> 00:28:16.009
colony to develop and a whole single surface

00:28:16.009 --> 00:28:20.230
from top to bottom. These allow the queen to

00:28:20.230 --> 00:28:25.150
lay eggs in a more efficient way. That means

00:28:25.150 --> 00:28:28.150
that with the same amount of energy, they can

00:28:28.150 --> 00:28:33.069
have larger surface of brood, which also means

00:28:33.069 --> 00:28:37.259
every cycle you have more bees that can go back

00:28:37.259 --> 00:28:41.180
into the system to perform when you have those

00:28:41.180 --> 00:28:45.220
eight frames one stuck by the other then you

00:28:45.220 --> 00:28:48.240
have something that is a little bit bigger than

00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.720
a double deep and the external dimensions are

00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.140
such that you can place four primer bee nests

00:28:56.140 --> 00:29:00.339
on a four -way palette so that the external dimension

00:29:00.339 --> 00:29:08.329
is four centimeters wide and 60 cm length. On

00:29:08.329 --> 00:29:13.349
top of this nest, we put a nest lid, what we

00:29:13.349 --> 00:29:17.289
call a nest lid, an empty super and a top lid

00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:23.849
for a total amount of more than 120 air value

00:29:23.849 --> 00:29:26.829
as a closure of the cross -section of the nest

00:29:26.829 --> 00:29:31.740
and this provides most of the efficiency that

00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:36.900
we can deliver to the colony. Did you say 120

00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:40.319
R value? Yeah, it depends which kind of empty

00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.799
super you can use, but we are between 120 and

00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:50.440
150 as the wall call it winter closure of the

00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:54.500
nest, which is made by three components. Nest

00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:59.519
lead, empty super, one empty super made of a

00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:04.779
solid APS and the top lid and the nylon strap

00:30:04.779 --> 00:30:07.859
to tie everything together. The coupling profile

00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:11.160
between the components is that such which is

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:16.660
airtight. So the air inside the empty super provide

00:30:16.660 --> 00:30:19.119
better insulation. And when we overwinter in

00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.880
Alaska, we instead of just an empty super, we

00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:28.240
put kind of a mattress of additional EPS as an

00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.259
insulation material to better survive the long

00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:34.299
Alaska winter. And the same thing goes when you

00:30:34.299 --> 00:30:38.380
are in very hot climate. Yeah. Let me just interpret

00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:41.559
this for everybody a little bit. So this does

00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.579
not look like a normal beehive. You see this

00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:49.420
EPS material and the brood box, there's not two,

00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:52.099
there's one, and you call it a nest, which I

00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:55.200
absolutely love that term, by the way, the frames

00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.789
inside are you said 70 centimeters, which is

00:30:58.789 --> 00:31:04.170
about 27 and a half inches tall. Exactly. And

00:31:04.170 --> 00:31:07.269
the width is roughly the regular width. Yeah,

00:31:07.269 --> 00:31:10.210
a little shorter, a little bit shorter. Just

00:31:10.210 --> 00:31:14.609
a little bit shorter. And so in the nest, you're

00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:17.630
going to be pulling out frames that are 27 and

00:31:17.630 --> 00:31:22.009
a half inches tall. Now, above that goes a brood

00:31:22.009 --> 00:31:24.529
box made out of the same material, same kind

00:31:24.529 --> 00:31:29.180
of insulation. But we can put our regular Langstroth

00:31:29.180 --> 00:31:33.059
frames in it. Exactly. Which also means we can

00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:36.079
pull them out and put them in our regular extractors.

00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.619
We don't have to do anything special, different,

00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:41.019
or anything else to extract honey from them.

00:31:41.420 --> 00:31:45.509
That's a big deal. Yeah, and also because we

00:31:45.509 --> 00:31:47.970
don't want to harvest the honey from the primal

00:31:47.970 --> 00:31:52.630
bee nest frames, matched with the thermal efficiency

00:31:52.630 --> 00:31:56.309
of the nest itself, this is why we can really

00:31:56.309 --> 00:31:59.250
feed less and less compared to every other solution.

00:31:59.809 --> 00:32:04.009
Because the cluster of the bees during the winter

00:32:04.009 --> 00:32:07.150
start at the very bottom of the primal bee frames

00:32:07.150 --> 00:32:11.119
and then the cluster moves very, very little

00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:16.759
by little upwards when they need some honey for

00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.779
the winter consumption. But most of the time,

00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:25.359
between 10 and 12 centimeters of honey on top

00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.880
of the frame is more than enough to overwinter

00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.960
the colony, at least in the place where we made

00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:36.240
our experiment. Okay, now your R value, you mentioned

00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.619
120. which I don't know of anything that's that

00:32:39.619 --> 00:32:43.380
high in our regular length strut hives, which

00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:46.059
are three quarter inch wood. I believe the R

00:32:46.059 --> 00:32:50.059
value is like one or two. Yeah, maybe five. It

00:32:50.059 --> 00:32:53.880
depends from the thickness of the play. So hardly

00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:58.000
insulated at all, but a big fat tree has a ton

00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.200
of insulation. So you're trying to reproduce

00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.599
this tree like atmosphere. The last thing I don't

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.319
want to get too technical here. But could you

00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.859
talk about the thermal dynamics just a little

00:33:10.859 --> 00:33:14.200
bit? Because we've had various people on the

00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.680
show talking about how important airflow is even

00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.940
when it's really cold in the winter. And other

00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:25.039
philosophies are, no, shut them down and don't

00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.140
have very much airflow at all. What's the airflow

00:33:28.140 --> 00:33:32.140
like on this? The critical point is the dew point.

00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.500
People that are used to open some hole or something

00:33:36.970 --> 00:33:41.289
on top of the nest, they do so because they think

00:33:41.289 --> 00:33:44.329
that the circulation of air between the bottom

00:33:44.329 --> 00:33:50.619
and the top can help the bees to evacuate. to

00:33:50.619 --> 00:33:54.720
put away the moisture inside the nest. But the

00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.480
real question is why those colonies have moisture

00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.740
inside the nest? And the answer is because the

00:34:00.740 --> 00:34:04.359
dew point is inside the nest. So when you provide

00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.740
because of the shape and then the material, you

00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:11.769
provide such thermal efficiency. we move the

00:34:11.769 --> 00:34:15.190
dew point outside. That means that they don't

00:34:15.190 --> 00:34:19.130
need an air flow inside the nest during winter

00:34:19.130 --> 00:34:21.789
time. They need to stabilize the temperature

00:34:21.789 --> 00:34:26.170
and to do that with the minimal effort possible,

00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:28.869
with the minimal possible effort in a way that

00:34:28.869 --> 00:34:33.690
they really can keep the queen alive at the right

00:34:33.690 --> 00:34:38.630
temperature, almost just with their metabolic

00:34:38.630 --> 00:34:41.769
energy. That goes with the less consumption during

00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:46.010
the winter passage and at the beginning of spring

00:34:46.010 --> 00:34:50.010
when the cluster opens up and the queen understands

00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:52.309
that the queen feels that it's time to lay eggs,

00:34:53.090 --> 00:34:56.789
this operation to open the cluster and to raise

00:34:56.789 --> 00:35:00.440
the temperature from the winter queen passage

00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.119
to the brood temperature of 36 degrees comes

00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:10.460
with the five or even more five times less effort

00:35:10.460 --> 00:35:13.860
than compared to the landstock hive. This is

00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:17.429
key because And this is much more related to

00:35:17.429 --> 00:35:21.150
the shape of the nest than the material itself.

00:35:21.269 --> 00:35:23.449
This is one of the things that we struggle the

00:35:23.449 --> 00:35:27.349
most to communicate because insulation is easy

00:35:27.349 --> 00:35:31.929
to understand. And even in our own houses, we

00:35:31.929 --> 00:35:35.230
see that when we put insulation in the house,

00:35:35.670 --> 00:35:38.690
we can consume less energy to stay warm during

00:35:38.690 --> 00:35:43.190
the winter. But the shape is really key. One

00:35:43.190 --> 00:35:46.630
of the things that Gianmario always try to explain

00:35:46.630 --> 00:35:51.610
to me first is a comparison between the shape,

00:35:51.829 --> 00:35:56.570
the small difference in shapes on a race car.

00:35:56.869 --> 00:36:01.090
When they change millimeters of the spoiler of

00:36:01.090 --> 00:36:05.110
the wings or whatever, the effect, the downside

00:36:05.110 --> 00:36:08.070
effect or the differences in the performance,

00:36:08.289 --> 00:36:11.050
it's huge. And mainly this is the same thing,

00:36:11.710 --> 00:36:15.099
changing the nest the shape of the nest improve

00:36:15.099 --> 00:36:18.239
a lot what the bees can do. And the bees, they

00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.920
know better than us. So when they feel they are

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:28.380
in a nest that is well made and easy to manage,

00:36:28.820 --> 00:36:32.940
they just act doing what they do best. So the

00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:35.420
conservation of energy and the better use of

00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:39.420
resources is in their DNA, and they just keep

00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:43.070
doing what they were able to do for. billions

00:36:43.070 --> 00:36:45.409
of years, for many, many years, thousands of

00:36:45.409 --> 00:36:49.010
years. And they go back to do what they were

00:36:49.010 --> 00:36:54.389
used to do before wrong wooden highs. Have you

00:36:54.389 --> 00:36:57.389
found that the bees also produce more honey?

00:36:57.650 --> 00:37:00.949
And if so, why? Correct. The bees produce more

00:37:00.949 --> 00:37:04.409
honey because, again, it's in their DNA. They

00:37:04.409 --> 00:37:09.030
know that when the net flow comes, it's time

00:37:09.030 --> 00:37:14.579
to put energy let's say in the ziagonal cells

00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:17.400
for when the winter will come and they don't

00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:21.000
have a limit. I mean, the limit is the nectar

00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:25.619
flow itself. So when they understand by instinct

00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:30.199
that they don't need so much energy to keep the

00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.400
temperature of the brood inside the nest, they

00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:37.380
keep going harvesting nectar and this nectar

00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.920
will not be used during the same season, will

00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.380
be stored for the winter to come. The key point

00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:48.139
in the primal bee is that using the same last

00:37:48.139 --> 00:37:51.320
medium or deep to harvest honey and having the

00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:55.300
nest which consume, which require so less energy

00:37:55.300 --> 00:37:58.400
compared to what we were used to work with, it's

00:37:58.400 --> 00:38:01.460
a win -win situation because what we leave into

00:38:01.460 --> 00:38:05.860
the nest for the colony is enough. or close to

00:38:05.860 --> 00:38:09.860
enough to survive an average winter everywhere

00:38:09.860 --> 00:38:13.820
in Europe and I can say everywhere in the US,

00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:18.239
maybe excluding Alaska or the cold state or the

00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.179
northeast of the US. But at the same time, we

00:38:22.179 --> 00:38:25.179
can harvest more honey. And from the comparison

00:38:25.179 --> 00:38:28.239
that we have already done in Europe and in Israel,

00:38:28.670 --> 00:38:32.289
On average, we harvest double the quantity compared

00:38:32.289 --> 00:38:35.010
to the wooden Langstock type. Sometimes it's

00:38:35.010 --> 00:38:37.929
even more, it depends. There are beekeepers in

00:38:37.929 --> 00:38:41.969
my area working with Primal Bee. They are already

00:38:41.969 --> 00:38:46.320
used to harvest the wild cherry honey. which

00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.440
is something that people forgot about because

00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:53.400
since the Varroa came in and the colony became

00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:57.000
weaker and weaker they were not able to harvest

00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.659
the wild cherry which is the very very first

00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:03.440
blossom that we have but with the primal bee

00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.780
and overwintery a strong colony and now they

00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:09.820
start going back to collect this honey that has

00:39:09.820 --> 00:39:12.380
not been collected since the 18 more or less.

00:39:12.710 --> 00:39:15.190
Alright, so what I'm gonna say, and I don't want

00:39:15.190 --> 00:39:17.550
this to sound rude in any way shape or form,

00:39:18.070 --> 00:39:21.210
you're putting a lot of promises out there, right?

00:39:21.449 --> 00:39:24.429
Less bee die -off, twice as much honey made.

00:39:25.210 --> 00:39:28.889
I decided to put this thing to the test and your

00:39:28.889 --> 00:39:32.150
marketing people were kind enough to send me

00:39:32.150 --> 00:39:35.630
one of your hives, the whole package, and even

00:39:35.630 --> 00:39:38.989
though This is going to be close to the end of

00:39:38.989 --> 00:39:41.969
August before I get bees in it. I'm going to

00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:44.949
try one this year and see how these bees overwinter.

00:39:45.530 --> 00:39:48.289
That's probably not fair because that's not enough

00:39:48.289 --> 00:39:50.349
of a head start before winter. Now you will need

00:39:50.349 --> 00:39:55.289
to feed them probably very very dense syrup as

00:39:55.289 --> 00:39:59.289
dense as honey and not less than probably between

00:39:59.289 --> 00:40:02.940
8 and 12 kilo. until they will build at least

00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:06.199
four or five full comms. And then I'm pretty

00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.800
sure that you will overwinter very well. Okay,

00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:11.940
I will do that. I'll feed the crap out of them

00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:15.300
and we'll see how it goes. And our listeners

00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:17.920
know here, I'll be very honest. If it works,

00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.639
and I really hope it does, and I think it will

00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.360
because everything you're saying just makes sense,

00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.659
then I'll report on that. And if for some reason

00:40:26.659 --> 00:40:30.329
it doesn't, then We'll learn and we'll talk about

00:40:30.329 --> 00:40:34.650
that come spring. I will be traveling again and

00:40:34.650 --> 00:40:38.699
again in the U .S. we should also create the

00:40:38.699 --> 00:40:41.820
opportunity for me to visit you in your place.

00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:44.679
Not only meeting in person in Appimondia, but

00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.820
really, I really would like to visit you in person

00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:51.840
so we can share our own experience. Yeah, it

00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.840
would be great. I would love that. That'll be

00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.320
really fun. And we are going to meet at Appimondia

00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.480
coming up here soon. Alex, I hope I remember

00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:01.940
to warn you of this when we talked previously.

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.940
Everybody that comes on this show gets to tell

00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:10.440
about a wild or crazy or embarrassing or painfully

00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.780
unusual beekeeping story that they personally

00:41:13.780 --> 00:41:16.019
have had. Would you have something you want to

00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:19.380
share with us? Yeah, actually, the craziest things

00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:22.719
that Gianmario and I did when we were using our

00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.960
first prototype was starting moving the colony

00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:29.519
from where we are up to the mountains on the

00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:32.559
Switzerland border. In this ballet that it's

00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:39.099
25 kilometers long, full of sweet chestnut. It's

00:41:39.099 --> 00:41:42.059
a valley where you only have sweet chestnut trees.

00:41:42.860 --> 00:41:45.739
And I remember one night, and we were used to

00:41:45.739 --> 00:41:49.239
move our hive with my pickup truck. I have an

00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:54.820
old 99 Dodge pickup truck. It's my hobby. I dismantle,

00:41:54.820 --> 00:41:58.199
I modify it. But that night it was not available.

00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:03.300
So we use the John Mario's car. a old four wheel

00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:09.199
drive Jeep that has not picked up bad. So we

00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:12.760
put the hives inside the car. And there were

00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:17.559
prototypes, so not very well made with bees that

00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:22.400
can eventually get out. And driving during the

00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.840
night on this mountain road. every time we were

00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.920
looking for just to see just to because it was

00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.780
fun to see wild boars and deers and actually

00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:37.500
after that we were going up and in the middle

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:41.739
of the road there was a beautiful deer and Giammario

00:42:41.739 --> 00:42:45.199
loves animals but I was back then I was also

00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.840
a deer hunter. When Giammario saw the deer he

00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.400
saw a beautiful animal and when I saw the deer

00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:57.139
I saw mainly uh yeah goulash and uh and steaks

00:42:57.139 --> 00:43:01.340
and kind of so i i was trying to stop the car

00:43:01.340 --> 00:43:03.900
and i was shouting to him no don't stop don't

00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:06.920
stop grab the deal we have space we have room

00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:09.599
inside for the deal as well so there was a moment

00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:14.900
of uh doubt and the car was shaking left and

00:43:14.900 --> 00:43:18.840
right and the eyes the prototypes open up so

00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.179
in a matter of a few seconds we were covered

00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:25.400
with thousands of bees and we were forced to

00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.400
stop the car ran out in the middle of the road

00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:32.019
in the mountains and shouting to each other how

00:43:32.019 --> 00:43:37.460
full we were. And at the end, we spent the following

00:43:37.460 --> 00:43:40.380
two hours trying to recover the bees inside the

00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:43.559
car, close the prototype and go on to the mountain

00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:47.519
apiary. And when we arrived at home, I was swallowing

00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:52.309
like, wow, it was the craziest night. as he might

00:43:52.309 --> 00:43:56.130
be keeping experience, and we still laugh about

00:43:56.130 --> 00:43:59.210
that and remember about that. And that was when

00:43:59.210 --> 00:44:02.570
we decided that we needed a nylon strap to tie

00:44:02.570 --> 00:44:06.429
everything down and not have these things happening

00:44:06.429 --> 00:44:10.829
again. That was really crazy. That is an awesome

00:44:10.829 --> 00:44:13.650
story. I wish we had video of that. I'm just

00:44:13.650 --> 00:44:18.650
picturing it in my mind. open hives in the car.

00:44:19.230 --> 00:44:20.989
You know that reminds me of something I'm going

00:44:20.989 --> 00:44:23.789
to tell this little story real quick. The first

00:44:23.789 --> 00:44:26.710
time that I ever caught a swarm and it was a

00:44:26.710 --> 00:44:29.389
really big one. It's one of the biggest swarms

00:44:29.389 --> 00:44:33.210
I have ever seen. And I had been told you can

00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:36.250
just take a cardboard box, shake it from the

00:44:36.250 --> 00:44:40.179
tree into the box. Well Let's just say it was

00:44:40.179 --> 00:44:43.139
a big swarm and it took a couple of boxes and

00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:46.500
I did that. And then I put some tape on the boxes,

00:44:46.539 --> 00:44:49.800
but I didn't want to make it, you know, airtight.

00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:52.340
Not that you can really get cardboard airtight,

00:44:52.820 --> 00:44:54.880
but there were a little teeny gap so that there

00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.300
was air flow going in and out. And I was driving

00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:00.199
my wife's car. That's a little Toyota hatchback.

00:45:00.340 --> 00:45:03.480
And I have these boxes of bees in the back seat.

00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:06.659
And as I'm driving along, they start getting

00:45:06.659 --> 00:45:10.159
out. and one gets out and then two and then three

00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.980
and then thirty and forty and thank goodness

00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:17.539
they weren't coming after me they wanted to get

00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:20.639
out so they were against the windows and by the

00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.460
time i got home i couldn't even see out of the

00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:26.199
back window or the back side windows because

00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:29.500
they were completely blabbered with colon by

00:45:29.500 --> 00:45:33.079
bees And, uh, you know, we learned these lessons

00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:37.380
the hard way and it ended up being fun and a

00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:40.739
fun story. Yeah. But honestly, uh, now it's,

00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:44.420
uh, it's a startup companies with Israeli startup.

00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.360
Uh, we have the team in the U S, uh, all amazing

00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.559
people. They are doing a great job, but, uh,

00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.539
at the bottom, the bottom is when we started

00:45:53.539 --> 00:45:56.320
working with the bees, uh, there was nothing

00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:59.489
like working with the bees. in our previous experience.

00:45:59.710 --> 00:46:02.650
And it's really something that you became addicted

00:46:02.650 --> 00:46:07.610
to. And even the way we look around on every

00:46:07.610 --> 00:46:11.510
season changed. We didn't notice flowers before

00:46:11.510 --> 00:46:14.650
working with bees. We didn't notice the different

00:46:14.650 --> 00:46:17.730
blossom of big trees before keeping bees. We

00:46:17.730 --> 00:46:21.869
didn't look at the nature around us in the same

00:46:21.869 --> 00:46:25.230
way that we look at now. It's amazing. It's just

00:46:25.230 --> 00:46:28.210
amazing. That's so true, and one of the beauties

00:46:28.210 --> 00:46:31.090
of beekeeping. All right, I need to let you go.

00:46:31.570 --> 00:46:33.969
Alex Gamberoni, thank you so much for being with

00:46:33.969 --> 00:46:38.170
me. Best of luck to Primal B. And by the way,

00:46:38.170 --> 00:46:40.250
we'll stick a link in the show notes if anybody

00:46:40.250 --> 00:46:42.889
wants to look it up and have a look at exactly

00:46:42.889 --> 00:46:45.289
what this thing looks like and how it works.

00:46:45.590 --> 00:46:48.250
And I'll see you at Appimondia. Yeah, yeah. Thank

00:46:48.250 --> 00:46:51.730
you very much, Eric, to host me in this wonderful

00:46:51.730 --> 00:46:54.690
conversation. And really, I'm looking forward

00:46:54.690 --> 00:46:57.610
to meet you in person in Appimondia. I will have

00:46:57.610 --> 00:47:01.010
those samples of the sweet chestnut for you to

00:47:01.010 --> 00:47:04.750
taste and bring back home. And yeah. We should

00:47:04.750 --> 00:47:09.510
also plan me to visit you in in Huta. Yeah, perfect.

00:47:09.730 --> 00:47:12.289
You come out here and do some skiing or in the

00:47:12.289 --> 00:47:14.750
summer and see the bees, either way. Yeah, yeah,

00:47:14.750 --> 00:47:20.429
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