How to Make Money Beekeeping - Wisdom from a 50 Year Commercial Beekeeper!

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bee's needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping

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presented by our great friends over at Man Lake.

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I think you're going to love the show today as

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we'll have a conversation with Chuck Cutick.

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He's a 50 -year commercial beekeeper in New York.

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We discuss everything from how to make money

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in beekeeping, to flowers that are poisonous

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for bees, to bears, addiction, and a wild and

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crazy story that involves lightning. You know

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what? Today I'm in the mood to cut the fluff.

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Let's just get right into it. Here's Chuck. This

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is gonna be so fun today. We have Chuck Cutick

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with us coming to us from New York. How are you

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Chuck? I'm great Eric and thanks for inviting

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me to do this that it sounds like it's gonna

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be fun Well, I hope so and the very first thing

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for those that are watching the video version

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of this Your glasses you told the truth. They

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are getting lighter and lighter all the time

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They started super dark when we first got on

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those photochromatic or whatever they call that.

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Yeah, I was out in the bright sun. What were

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you doing this morning? Oh, this morning, we

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filled a tote, brought it up to where we pack

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honey for and they're doing some raw honey up

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there. So we're pumping it over into our tanks

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and going to do some raw honey up there today.

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So and that's about it for this morning. So you've

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been a beekeeper for nearly 50 years Congratulations.

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Yeah, it makes me old now means you're not allergic

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to bees yet and Anyway, but there's so many fun

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things about your business that I think we can

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all learn from There's lots of beekeepers out

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there that don't know how to make money at it

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Some of us that just do it for fun, but some

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that want to start making some money So part

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of what we're going to talk about is the business

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side of things. But I want to jump right in with

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Chuck, what do you love about bees? Because you

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mentioned a minute ago before we were recording

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just how much you love honeybees and beekeeping.

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What is it about it? Oh, I don't think there's

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anything more fascinating than a beehive. One

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day the bees can be light on the verge of starvation

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and two days later they can have a super almost

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filled with honey. It's just Just amazing what

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they can do. I mean, to me, when I look in a

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beehive, and you know, I don't believe in evolution,

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I believe in creation, and I look in a beehive

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and I just see God's creation right there in

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front of me. Just amazing what goes on in there.

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Just I'm involved in God's creation every day,

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you know, out in the outside with the flowers

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and the trees and the bees and, you know, and

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the people that we work with, you know, I'm just

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blessed to be in this industry. You know, I think

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part of what to me fits in with that is the harmony

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between all of it Flowers need bees bees need

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flowers we need the fruit from the trees that

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flower which wouldn't happen without the bees

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and Hopefully we're also giving back and helping

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the bees out in some small way now that not that

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they couldn't probably do better without us but

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But you know, we do try to make their life as

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good as we can also so yeah that harmony is an

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interesting thing as far as all the things that

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you do in beekeeping and I'm just gonna rattle

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some of them off because With your business you

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sell honey. You sell nukes and queens. You do

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pollination. You have a retail store you do classes

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You do all kinds of everything. Is there something

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that's your favorite part? This might sound silly,

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but I think one of the things I really enjoy

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is putting bees into blueberries in North Carolina.

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The farmers up there that I deal with are, they're

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like friends now over the years. And we just

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have a great relationship and it's just a good

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time of the year. And, you know, I can. I don't

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do a lot of heavy work anymore but I do enjoy

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getting on loaders and unloading the semi and

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spread them into the blueberries it's just. I

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guess that's one of my favorite things now that

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that I do in bees and you know to see the. The

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see what happens you know with the with the bloom

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and you know and then they have to irrigate the

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for frost protection and. It's just a cool business

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to be involved with the blueberry growers and

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then to see the end result before we come north,

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we usually stop there and pick some blueberries.

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We're part of the business. Probably one of the

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most important parts of the blueberry business

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is the pollination side. Right now, that's one

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of my favorite things left to do, that I still

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do. Give me a little bit more detail on that.

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When do you go there? How long are the hives

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there? How many hives do you take? We usually

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bring around 3 ,000 up from South Carolina to

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North Carolina. We brought them in as early as

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first week in February, but when we first started

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going in there, normally they wouldn't go in

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until the first or second week of March. for

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quite a few years there, it got earlier and earlier,

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but now it's headed back to where it was originally.

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We're not putting bees in now until the beginning

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of March, which is nice. Do you do any almond

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pollination too? We do send some bees to almonds.

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We usually send them beginning of February, anywhere

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from one to five loads, depending on how our

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bees are looking and what we're not going to

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need for blueberries. So blueberries sound like

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the priority. It's close by, it's only two hours

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away. Almonds are a lot better for the bees than

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blueberries, but I've got this... When I was

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a little kid, I wanted to grow blueberries, so

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I'm not growing blueberries, but I'm helping

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other guys make money at their blueberries, so

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it's kind of fulfilled a wish of mine in a way.

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Now when you say that the almonds are better

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for the bees than the blueberries explain that

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a little bit. Oh The blueberries they use so

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much fun decides And and we're in you know We're

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on the East Coast of South Carolina and the blueberries

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in North Carolina are on the East Coast and there's

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a band roll You know along the coast where where

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yellow Jasmine is prevalent. That's like a poison

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plant to the bees So we deal with that every

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year It's not a fun thing, but... OK, I just

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learned something. What is yellow jasmine and

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how is it poisonous to the bees? I admit, I didn't

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know this. I always tell people I'm not too bright

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because we take bees to South Carolina and the

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state flower for South Carolina is yellow jasmine.

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Yeah, the nectar and the pollen is poison to

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the bees. We've told our workers too that come

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in to do not eat the pollen when some of them

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will you know They like to stick their hive tool

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and eat a little pollen, but we told them there

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when the yellow jasmine is blooming don't Don't

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eat any of that pollen and a couple of them,

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you know They don't believe you and they they'd

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some of that pollen and they were they got sick.

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So it's It's not a very good plant. It's pretty

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to look at, but it's not good for the bees. Yeah.

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How do you find the transportation all the way

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out to California and back? Is that very hard

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on them? I guess any time you put bees on a truck

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there could be problems, but usually it's cold

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going out, so I don't think it affects the bees

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too much. Probably the worst thing is getting

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stuck in the bug stations. You know, if you're

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in there for any length of time it can, you know,

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you can lose some frames of bees. But normally,

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I think as long as they keep moving, you know,

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stop at night to sleep, you know, you don't want

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the guys stopping in the middle of the day. But

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we haven't had any real issues losing bees, trucking.

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So the problem is heat? The heat, yeah, but we

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run four ways. We leave a six inch space between

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the rows down through the middle of the truck

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so they get plenty of air. Then they can hang

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out and not mingle with other hives. If the guys

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push them tight together, then the bees are mingling

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and fighting. But if you keep them spread apart,

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we seem to be okay. Yeah, and it keeps them cooler.

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I had a guest on the show a while back that helped

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clean up. I think it was in Washington State.

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The bee truck that rolled over there and they

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had a huge mess on their hands and you know You

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see at least one of these someplace in the country

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every year where a full semi will tip over going

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around a corner or something and and Glad you

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haven't had to deal with any of that I'm looking

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at your website here and and speaking of different

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kinds of Pollination and stuff. It's really cool

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to be reminded just how different honey can be

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based on what the bees are working. And so if

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you wouldn't mind, if you remember what's on

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your website, I want to ask you about some of

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these specific kinds of honey, because it starts

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with just clover honey, which everybody's used

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to. You know, it's similar to what you're going

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to get in the grocery store. Of course, yours

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is better. Ours is better. Yeah, that's what

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everybody says. Hey, ours, ours is the best.

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Yours can be pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing.

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Isn't it that people taste your honey and they'll

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say, Oh, it's the best honey I've ever had. And

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then you wonder, what have you actually been

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eating? You know, and there's other beekeepers

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around that I'm sure they probably tasted their

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honey or some, but for some reason they all your

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honey is the best. So which, you know, that's

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a nice thing to hear. Uh, but Makes you wonder

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what they've been eating, you know? Exactly.

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I mean, they've been getting some kind of, no

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offense, but crap from the supermarket. Right.

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Yeah. Who knows how much of it is even honey?

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It may be adulterated with who knows what. So.

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Well, we don't produce all the honey that we

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pack, but what we produce is the clover, the

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wildflower, the blueberry, not wheat. I think

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that's about. Yeah, that's about the ones that

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we produce, then we buy in the others that we

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pack. All right, I want to hear a little bit

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about the flavor profile of them, if you can.

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Tell me about the blueberry honey compared to

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a regular clover or wildflower honey. Oh, man,

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how do you describe blueberry? Well, it's in

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the bottom end of ELA in amber, in light amber.

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It's kind of right in there. Just a real nice

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peculiar flavor. It's kind of a little stronger,

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a little fruitier, just an interesting flavor.

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It's hard to describe. All right. Well, I'm going

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to ask you to keep trying. How about sunflower

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honey? How does it compare? Oh, man. I don't

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know. I need to get the honey sommelier back

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on here. I don't really eat much sunflower. So

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I don't I couldn't really tell you. We just pack

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it because some people like it. I know granulates

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a little quicker than other honey. So it's it's

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if if you're going to cream honey and some guys

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say that's one of the better honeys to cream.

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All right. Do you have a favorite? And this is

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like picking a favorite child. Yeah, I do. I

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think, well, one of my favorites is Tupelo. I

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notice you don't have that on your website. So

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that means Chuck's eating it all himself. We

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probably ought to go to the bank and take a loan

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and buy a couple barrels, but we used to produce

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a little bit in South Carolina, Tupelo. There's

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a section where there's the Tupelo trees. Are

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but it's mixed in with everything, and once in

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a while in the burr comb you can detect that

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there's Tupelo coming in. And one of my other

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favorites is, uh, Sourwood. Yeah, I really like

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Sourwood honey. And then my friend in Oregon

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makes, uh, a little bit of Fireweed honey. And

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that's, that's really good too. So there's, I

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guess... Tupelo would be my favorite, but there's

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a lot there that would be just as good as I wish

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I could say it was a New York honey. That was

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my favorite. But anyway, I'm going to be honest

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and say, you know, those other honeys are just

00:15:18.419 --> 00:15:22.100
so unique. And although we do make some locusts

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once in a while in New York, and that's right

00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.559
up there with those, if you can get pure locusts.

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So, but we very seldom get much locusts. We had

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the biggest locust bloom. This past spring, I

00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:39.340
mean, it was just white every place, but it turned

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rainy and cold and that was it. So we didn't

00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:45.620
make any, but that's typical Locust weather for

00:15:45.620 --> 00:15:48.620
us. Let's talk a little bit about the business

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if you don't mind sharing. And if I ask you anything

00:15:51.879 --> 00:15:54.440
that you don't want to answer, you don't have

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to answer. Okay. Is there an area of the business

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that's a little bit better moneymaker for you

00:16:02.289 --> 00:16:04.889
than some other areas, whether it's pollination

00:16:04.889 --> 00:16:09.889
or retail or whatever? Yeah, I think our nukes

00:16:09.889 --> 00:16:13.610
and queens and our pollination business are pretty

00:16:13.610 --> 00:16:17.210
good. Yeah, the nukes have been really, really

00:16:17.210 --> 00:16:20.750
good for us. We do sell a lot of nukes. We have

00:16:20.750 --> 00:16:23.190
a pretty good reputation for our nukes and queens.

00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.559
On another topic here, as you know, the mortality

00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:31.659
rate for a lot of commercial beekeepers was really

00:16:31.659 --> 00:16:35.000
horrific this last winter. How did you guys come

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through? We had some issues, not so much losing

00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:44.679
the hives, but the populations dropped. differentiate

00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.759
between our pollination bees and our new nukes

00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.659
and queens bees. Years ago we made the decision

00:16:51.659 --> 00:16:55.440
that the nukes were going to be just nukes. So

00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:58.600
our whole nuke operation other than our support

00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.759
hives are all in five frame nuke boxes year -round.

00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.359
So right now we're shipping stuff back to South

00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.019
Carolina and all the nukes are in a two -story

00:17:08.019 --> 00:17:11.369
nuke box. So it's a two five frame nuke boxes

00:17:11.369 --> 00:17:14.349
so it's a double five frame nuke box which equivalent

00:17:14.349 --> 00:17:17.730
of a single so and that's how we ship ship them

00:17:17.730 --> 00:17:20.769
back down so and we'll i think we're shipping

00:17:20.769 --> 00:17:24.970
around 8 000 down for the winter and then we'll

00:17:24.970 --> 00:17:27.970
winter those over in doubles but they're all

00:17:27.970 --> 00:17:32.430
on brand new cone so every year we we draw you

00:17:32.430 --> 00:17:36.730
know tens of thousands of frames of foundation

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So that when we sell nukes, the majority of the

00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.500
frames in the nukes that we sell is less than

00:17:42.500 --> 00:17:47.200
a year old. So it's primo. Comb that has an accumulated

00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:50.319
pesticides and things. Yeah. And in New York

00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:54.059
where we keep our nuke is not a lot of production

00:17:54.059 --> 00:17:59.980
agriculture as other places. So it's fairly clean

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for pesticides. And there's not a lot, there's

00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:06.859
no other big commercial guys where we keep our

00:18:06.859 --> 00:18:09.779
nukes. It's just hobbyists, maybe a couple little

00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:13.319
sideliners. So, you know, when we do mate our

00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:15.859
queens, they're mating, the majority of the queens

00:18:15.859 --> 00:18:19.400
that we sell have mated with our drones. So we

00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:23.079
kind of keep our drone pool just for us, you

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know. And what would you say is the strength

00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:29.119
of your nukes versus others? You better get about

00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:31.799
when you transfer me better almost put the second

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deep on right away because a lot of times when

00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:37.259
they get their nukes there's four sheets of root

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and Three or more are sealed. So they're they're

00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:44.539
they're ready to go for sure. They're gonna build

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out really quickly. Yeah Okay, so of your pollinator

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hives, do you have an idea of your mortality

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rate on those this last winter? Like I said,

00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.119
it was, we probably lost 30 % of our bees last

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year. And that's summer losses. Yeah. But that's

00:19:02.779 --> 00:19:06.059
a lot better than a lot of people. Yeah. Yeah.

00:19:06.220 --> 00:19:08.680
But, but we did have a lot and we didn't send

00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.759
many, we only sent one go to California. We were

00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:15.359
planning on sending, you know, you plan on things

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and a lot of times it's just a wish, but uh.

00:19:18.730 --> 00:19:21.049
We thought oh, we're gonna send five to seven

00:19:21.049 --> 00:19:23.230
loads because our bees look so good in the fall,

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but There again all of a sudden when we got back

00:19:27.809 --> 00:19:30.289
down, South Carolina in January our clusters

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had shrunk down to You know three four five six

00:19:34.089 --> 00:19:37.089
frames of bees where they were full boxes before

00:19:37.089 --> 00:19:41.049
so but our nuke our nuke bees didn't shrink But

00:19:41.049 --> 00:19:43.609
they're all on that brand new comb and they have

00:19:43.609 --> 00:19:46.859
brand new queen every year where our pollination

00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:49.960
bees were just, you know, we're just running

00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:53.079
average bees and a lot of queens are two years

00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.839
old and the combs are getting, you know, we probably

00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.680
need to start pulling frames out and replacing

00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.980
with some foundation. But, you know, that's easier

00:20:03.980 --> 00:20:07.660
said than done, I guess. Well, that's a job both

00:20:07.660 --> 00:20:11.180
for your employees and for the bees. Yeah. You

00:20:11.180 --> 00:20:13.180
know, a lot of guys, and then we did it too.

00:20:13.220 --> 00:20:15.140
When we first started selling nukes, we'd go

00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:17.519
into our production colonies and you'd pull out,

00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:20.400
you know, three combs out of each hive to make

00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:23.000
up your nukes or more than you put foundation

00:20:23.000 --> 00:20:25.680
in. So you're constantly replacing your frames

00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.259
in your operation. When we went and decided to

00:20:29.259 --> 00:20:32.200
do nukes or nukes and pollination bees or pollination

00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:34.599
bees, and we don't sell any frames out of the

00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.859
pollination bees, you know, we're, I'm sure we

00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:42.009
need to start pulling And we've made plans this

00:20:42.009 --> 00:20:44.349
spring to start pulling at least two frames out

00:20:44.349 --> 00:20:48.089
of every hive. And replace it. And replace them,

00:20:48.089 --> 00:20:52.990
yeah. So we didn't see the big drop in bees in

00:20:52.990 --> 00:20:55.569
our nuc operation that we saw on the pollination

00:20:55.569 --> 00:21:00.730
side. And South Carolina was really cold. I mean,

00:21:01.130 --> 00:21:03.650
I've never seen such a cold winter as we had

00:21:03.650 --> 00:21:07.319
last winter down there. I think almost six inches

00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.940
of snow there at one point in South Carolina.

00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.059
That was, you know, if we get anything, it's

00:21:13.059 --> 00:21:16.400
usually an ice storm or flurries, you know, but

00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:19.119
they'd melt before they hit the ground. Uh, but

00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:22.160
last year and the cold, the cold hung in there

00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:25.519
for a long time. Normally when we ship these

00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:29.880
California in the beginning of February, there's

00:21:29.880 --> 00:21:32.500
three, three to four sheets with, you know, good.

00:21:32.569 --> 00:21:36.170
Good amount of brood on him. And, uh, this year,

00:21:36.890 --> 00:21:39.269
Queens didn't even start to lay till February.

00:21:39.470 --> 00:21:42.569
So it was, uh, it was a crazy and, and maple

00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:46.109
didn't even start till into February. So it was

00:21:46.109 --> 00:21:49.309
a late year. So I was kind of nervous about shipping

00:21:49.309 --> 00:21:52.210
bees out there with no brood. So we just held

00:21:52.210 --> 00:21:55.750
back and finally we sent one load, but. Do you

00:21:55.750 --> 00:21:58.640
overwinter any bees in New York? We did last

00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:03.079
year. Last year we did. We forgot a yard of 40

00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:08.680
hives from the Nukes in Queenside. 40 doubles.

00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:10.779
You know, everybody asked, well, how do your

00:22:10.779 --> 00:22:13.140
bees winter? Well, I guess they did pretty good.

00:22:13.220 --> 00:22:16.980
We had 37 left alive this spring. So, and that

00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:18.880
wasn't, you know, we didn't prepare them for

00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.440
a New York winter. Normally we get them down

00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:25.410
there. We go to feed and, you know. But no, so

00:22:25.410 --> 00:22:29.349
I guess our bees do winter well in New York.

00:22:29.869 --> 00:22:34.650
And I did have a friend that he used to get 50

00:22:34.650 --> 00:22:37.309
to 100 nukes from us every year. And he would

00:22:37.309 --> 00:22:39.569
put them in certain yards and then he'd watch

00:22:39.569 --> 00:22:43.109
them. And a lot of times he'd only lose one or

00:22:43.109 --> 00:22:46.630
two out of 30 in a yard of our nuc. We don't

00:22:46.630 --> 00:22:50.829
winter our bees, but in New York, not on purpose.

00:22:51.339 --> 00:22:54.099
People have had good success with our bees, wintering

00:22:54.099 --> 00:22:57.339
our bees. And we did too, even though we didn't

00:22:57.339 --> 00:23:00.619
prepare them for winter. Yeah, how big of a problem

00:23:00.619 --> 00:23:03.779
is Varroa where you are or where your bees are?

00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.740
I guess it's just the same everywhere, isn't

00:23:06.740 --> 00:23:08.559
it? I mean, I don't know if there's any place

00:23:08.559 --> 00:23:12.700
that's better or worse for Varroa. Do you have

00:23:12.700 --> 00:23:17.000
any secret tips for hobbyists or sideliners out

00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.660
there? Oh, man. They don't have to be secret.

00:23:22.740 --> 00:23:26.420
I mean, we've been using the glycerin oxalic

00:23:26.420 --> 00:23:28.960
strips. We've been making those up for a few

00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:32.519
years and they seem to keep the mite loads down

00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:34.920
during the summer. I mean, we have a long period

00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.440
of time. We're not like in the Midwest when the

00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.440
honey flow doesn't start till the end of June

00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.920
and it's over in August. We can make honey in

00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.980
May, end of May up here in New York or even beginning

00:23:47.980 --> 00:23:51.869
of May. And we can, I mean, the bees are just

00:23:51.869 --> 00:23:54.349
bringing in nectar a couple days ago yet. Not

00:23:54.349 --> 00:23:58.170
lots of nectar, but some. So, you know, we, there's

00:23:58.170 --> 00:24:00.410
a long period of time where we can make honey.

00:24:00.450 --> 00:24:03.349
So we need something to get us through that period.

00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:06.369
And that doxella glycerin strip seemed to work

00:24:06.369 --> 00:24:10.890
pretty well for us. So. Any other diseases or?

00:24:10.970 --> 00:24:13.650
pests that are a big problem, in the Carolinas

00:24:13.650 --> 00:24:17.670
especially. Well, there's one big pest, but the

00:24:17.670 --> 00:24:22.369
bears, bears are a pest. We fight those in North

00:24:22.369 --> 00:24:25.809
Carolina, Maine, and New York. Yeah, those are

00:24:25.809 --> 00:24:30.450
the big pests. They get into a queen mating yard

00:24:30.450 --> 00:24:33.630
and you can lose a lot of money quick. Now when

00:24:33.630 --> 00:24:35.809
you say you fight them, I want to get a little

00:24:35.809 --> 00:24:41.579
video on you fighting a bear. That brings us

00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:46.940
to the wild and crazy story portion. You said

00:24:46.940 --> 00:24:49.700
I should be thinking, I should be thinking about

00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:52.180
that. I don't. You thought of anything unusual?

00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:59.319
Oh, just moving beasts, I guess, is when I was

00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.819
young and trying to get going and stuff, it'd

00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:05.359
be, you know, it was me and my wife, pretty much.

00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:08.599
She would be up in New York. I'd be down South

00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.480
Carolina then I had bees in Florida and I and

00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.940
that was before I had loaders So we'd load I'd

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:18.319
load it work all day in Florida Then load bees

00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:21.299
on my truck at night and leave down there 11

00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:25.619
at night I wanted to get across Florida to over

00:25:25.619 --> 00:25:29.559
to just on the East Coast so I could avoid all

00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.599
the traffic in the morning and so I had worked

00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:36.069
already 24 hours and then I So I'm gonna get

00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:38.309
a cup of coffee, but coffee never really kept

00:25:38.309 --> 00:25:40.109
me awake. But all of a sudden, I don't know what

00:25:40.109 --> 00:25:43.289
was in that coffee at that truck stop, but I

00:25:43.289 --> 00:25:45.809
got all the way up to South Carolina for I had

00:25:45.809 --> 00:25:48.930
to take a nap. So that was one long trip. It

00:25:48.930 --> 00:25:54.349
was like 36 hours, but I had been awake for over

00:25:54.349 --> 00:25:58.809
two days. But that kind of crazy stuff, you know,

00:25:59.029 --> 00:26:01.230
doing the same thing in South Carolina, loading

00:26:01.230 --> 00:26:04.700
bees and. Being on the road being up for two

00:26:04.700 --> 00:26:08.940
days. I fell asleep in the bobcat Going to pull

00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:11.420
bees off the truck, you know, it's just dumb

00:26:11.420 --> 00:26:15.240
stuff like that that Just cuz I was just trying

00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:19.140
to do too much by myself Yeah Now is that does

00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:22.099
that go along with some of the illegal things

00:26:22.099 --> 00:26:25.079
that you said you might be alluding to? Yeah,

00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:30.579
yeah, yeah No more detail than that, huh? No

00:26:32.230 --> 00:26:34.430
Darn, I was hoping we could get a confession

00:26:34.430 --> 00:26:37.589
of some kind out of you here today. Oh, well.

00:26:38.190 --> 00:26:40.990
Well, oh, there was one. Yeah, one crazy time

00:26:40.990 --> 00:26:43.609
we were loading bees up in Maine out of blueberries

00:26:43.609 --> 00:26:47.650
and we were up on this hill and we got the truck

00:26:47.650 --> 00:26:52.150
loaded and I was up on top and it started pouring.

00:26:52.809 --> 00:26:55.509
They were sending the nets up and it was lightning

00:26:55.509 --> 00:26:58.049
thunder and lightning storm. It was crazy. And

00:26:58.049 --> 00:27:01.319
I'm up on top of this load on top of this. pretty

00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.720
good size, almost a mountain, but not really

00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.259
a mountain. The trucker grabbed a bee net, and

00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:12.119
the lightning struck, and he felt the electric

00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.819
in the net. He dropped it. I don't know what

00:27:15.819 --> 00:27:17.980
happened there, but he's afraid to grab the net

00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:21.420
again. They finally got the net up on there,

00:27:21.619 --> 00:27:24.619
and we got it netted as quickly as possible.

00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:29.200
Just crazy things you do, and you think you're

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:33.440
invincible. So just thank the good Lord that

00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.759
I didn't die on top of that load, I guess. I'm

00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.680
sure there's a lot of beekeepers have been doing

00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:41.519
the same thing, you know, and you look back and

00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.920
say, boy, that was stupid. But anyway, you're

00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.539
young and dumb and going to get it done. And

00:27:47.539 --> 00:27:50.380
yeah, I don't know if that's crazy, funny things,

00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:54.079
but just, yeah, I, I used to carry a transmission

00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.799
with me and one of my trucks, cause I was afraid

00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.900
that. I'd had problems with the one and so I'd

00:27:59.900 --> 00:28:02.279
say I better carry an extra transmission and

00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.619
then just dumped stuff like that when you're

00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:06.220
young and you're getting going and you don't

00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:09.000
have a lot of money and You know, you're fixing

00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.019
your own truck on the road and doing all that

00:28:11.019 --> 00:28:14.440
kind of stuff You have to know a lot You have

00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.460
to be a mechanic. You have to know be biology.

00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:22.039
You have to know business all these things Yeah

00:28:22.410 --> 00:28:24.849
Well, let's just make a statement right now.

00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.089
Beekeepers are the smartest people in the world.

00:28:27.109 --> 00:28:36.230
How's that? Well, yeah, we could be. Or we have

00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:39.089
the least common sense, one or the other. Or

00:28:39.089 --> 00:28:42.349
gluttons for punishment, maybe. Yeah. Hey, a

00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:45.990
couple last things. If I were a brand new thinking,

00:28:46.210 --> 00:28:49.210
hey, maybe I want to get started in beekeeping

00:28:49.210 --> 00:28:51.990
and I walked into your shop and ran into you.

00:28:52.549 --> 00:28:56.130
What kind of advice would you have for me? Now

00:28:56.130 --> 00:28:58.089
you're talking about a house somebody that just

00:28:58.089 --> 00:29:01.049
wants a couple hives or somebody that wants to

00:29:01.049 --> 00:29:06.710
be a commercial No, no just a backyard Hey, you

00:29:06.710 --> 00:29:09.630
know, I I've got a half acre that my house is

00:29:09.630 --> 00:29:12.549
on and I think bees are cool and I want to give

00:29:12.549 --> 00:29:16.369
it a try Well, yeah, the first thing I ask is

00:29:16.369 --> 00:29:19.200
why do you want to be hive? And I said, do you

00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:21.599
want it just so you can get your own honey? And

00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.759
if they say, oh yeah, that's what I want. I say,

00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.640
well, go over to the shelf. Cause that honey

00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.039
is a lot cheaper than anything you're going to

00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.359
produce. And, and of course I always say, well,

00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:34.220
you know, it's going to take you a couple of

00:29:34.220 --> 00:29:37.259
years to figure it out and maybe to get your

00:29:37.259 --> 00:29:40.940
bees to winter, you know, but I like the answer

00:29:40.940 --> 00:29:43.819
that you, you said there was, you know, I think

00:29:43.819 --> 00:29:46.670
bees are cool. You know, I always tell people

00:29:46.670 --> 00:29:49.789
it's, it's beekeeping as a hobby, right? And

00:29:49.789 --> 00:29:52.609
hobbies are expensive. You know, if you're, if

00:29:52.609 --> 00:29:55.690
you're a golfer, you know how expensive golf

00:29:55.690 --> 00:29:59.430
can be. If you're a trout fisherman, you know,

00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:02.809
flies and the, you know, everything is expensive.

00:30:02.990 --> 00:30:06.410
So you have to look at beekeeping as a hobby

00:30:06.410 --> 00:30:09.410
as, you know, it's not going to be cheap. But

00:30:09.410 --> 00:30:12.950
if you like, it's like looking at fish in a bowl,

00:30:13.089 --> 00:30:16.200
right? If you like to watch fish in a bowl and

00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.660
you like to watch bees flying out of a hive and

00:30:19.660 --> 00:30:22.039
just to see the amazing things and everything

00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:24.799
is different and all during the year you're doing

00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.099
different things. That's why you should get a

00:30:28.099 --> 00:30:31.640
beehive, just to enjoy what's God's creation

00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:35.119
in that box. And that's a good reason right there.

00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:37.559
To pollinate your garden, right? Your neighbor's

00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.009
garden. But as far as saving money on honey,

00:30:41.089 --> 00:30:43.670
yeah, I'm with you It's kind of like when you

00:30:43.670 --> 00:30:46.170
get chickens you think all these eggs are gonna

00:30:46.170 --> 00:30:51.009
be free Yeah until you buy the chicks and and

00:30:51.009 --> 00:30:54.390
you buy the coop or build the coop and then you

00:30:54.390 --> 00:30:57.750
buy the Food which has gone way up in price the

00:30:57.750 --> 00:31:00.470
last few years. I mean we have chickens here

00:31:00.470 --> 00:31:04.779
and I tell people Yeah, if you're doing it just

00:31:04.779 --> 00:31:07.460
for the eggs only, just go to the store. It's

00:31:07.460 --> 00:31:10.720
cheaper and easier and everything else. But if

00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.440
you think chickens are fun and you want to know

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.420
that the eggs are coming from, you know, you

00:31:16.420 --> 00:31:18.740
know what they're eating and all that kind of

00:31:18.740 --> 00:31:21.460
stuff and how they've been treated, then that's

00:31:21.460 --> 00:31:25.339
a cool thing. And it's the same with bees, right?

00:31:25.660 --> 00:31:30.269
You know, you know that you're getting pure honey,

00:31:30.950 --> 00:31:32.789
and hopefully you're not getting the poisonous

00:31:32.789 --> 00:31:38.869
kind from South Carolina. Right. But, you know,

00:31:39.049 --> 00:31:42.009
it's that the Yellow Jasmine goes all the way

00:31:42.009 --> 00:31:44.549
around. It goes into the Gulf Coast states too,

00:31:44.569 --> 00:31:48.089
and those guys have problems with the Yellow

00:31:48.089 --> 00:31:50.839
Jasmine also. Well, I haven't lived in those

00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.039
areas, so I just feel totally naive to that whole

00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.920
thing. Yeah, then we decided to raise queen.

00:31:57.019 --> 00:31:59.480
We decided to be queen raiser, you know, breeders

00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:03.319
too. So that affects that part of it too. That

00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.720
time of year, we usually raise another 25 to

00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:11.119
30 percent, 40 percent sometimes extra cells

00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.640
just to make sure we have enough to get through

00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.279
that point of the year. Well, you know, and you

00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:19.839
were talking about You know, what's your favorite

00:32:19.839 --> 00:32:22.500
thing and all that at one point. You'd be out

00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:24.720
in the bee yard all day long, you know, working

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.720
hard and you come home at night and there's a

00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.359
few bee hives in your backyard. And I'd always

00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.680
have to go and pop a cover and look at one of

00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.240
those. I don't know why, but as all day and bees,

00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:38.440
but you get home and I got to take a look at

00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:42.099
that one hive. So it is addicting. It's an addiction,

00:32:42.099 --> 00:32:44.809
but I think it's a good one. It's definitely

00:32:44.809 --> 00:32:47.630
a good, healthy one. Hey, Chuck, I appreciate

00:32:47.630 --> 00:32:49.750
your time so much. I'm going to let you get back

00:32:49.750 --> 00:32:52.369
to work. I know you have a ton to do today, but

00:32:52.369 --> 00:32:55.589
thanks for being with us. If people want to find

00:32:55.589 --> 00:33:01.470
you, your website, cutics .com. Yeah, yeah. With

00:33:01.470 --> 00:33:05.470
a K. Our four different companies will be listed

00:33:05.470 --> 00:33:07.769
in there. I'll stick it in the show notes in

00:33:07.769 --> 00:33:10.730
case people can't spell it, but yeah, Cutics

00:33:10.730 --> 00:33:14.589
with two Ks. Hey, that's it. So thank you so

00:33:14.589 --> 00:33:16.630
much Eric for inviting me to do this. I had a

00:33:16.630 --> 00:33:19.369
good time It was uh, you made it point you've

00:33:19.369 --> 00:33:22.609
made it painless. Oh good I want to get out there

00:33:22.609 --> 00:33:24.670
to New York and see you sometime. Yeah, come

00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:28.190
on out and visit and I will We'll take you around

00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:31.289
show you what we do and put you to work That'd

00:33:31.289 --> 00:33:33.609
be a lot of fun. All right, take care of my friend.

00:33:33.609 --> 00:33:38.960
Thank you so much. You have a good day Thanks

00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.519
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00:34:10.329 --> 00:34:12.869
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See you next week.