Everything APITHERAPY - Honey Bee Products for Health

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May I have your attention, please? The following

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is not the real Jeff Fox review If you think

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it's your fault every time you get stung by a

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bee You might be a beekeeper If when robbing

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is going on at your house, but you don't call

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the police Well, you might be a beekeeper. If

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you have enough beeswax lip balm to last your

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family for 300 years, you might be a beekeeper.

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Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping presented

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by our great friends over at Man Lake. Today's

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episode is going to be completely dedicated to

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apotherapy or the use of honeybee products for

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medicinal or health benefits. Our guest is Ross

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Conrad who's a New England beekeeper and extremely

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knowledgeable on the topic. This is a longer

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discussion than usual so we're going to jump

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right in after we give a quick but hearty thank

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all things Apotherapy. We have with us today

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Ross Conrad, coming to us all the way from Vermont.

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And Ross, good morning. How are you? Good morning,

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Eric. Doing well, thank you. It is great that

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we could finally connect. And just to let our

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listeners know, we're going to be talking about

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a cool subject today, which is apotherapy, something

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that you know a lot of. But first, let's find

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out who Ross is and what are you doing in Vermont

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and what's beekeeping like there. So jump right

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in anywhere. I started beekeeping by working

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with some local commercial beekeepers, Bill and

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Charlie Meraz. And Charlie Mraz was a world -famous

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beekeeper. Between the two of them, they were

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father and son. They had over 100 years of beekeeping

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experience. That's how I got my education. And

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Charlie Mraz was known as the father of apotherapy,

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who first actually brought the use of bee products

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and bee venom to the United States and really

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pushed hard to try to get the medical establishment

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interested in... the benefits of bee venom therapy

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and apitherapy in general. Beekeeping in Vermont

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is great. I'm in the Champlain Valley, which

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is the best place to keep bees in all of New

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England. Been a little bit more challenging of

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reaching years, but haven't given up and keep

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working at it. Hopefully beating the odds. Good.

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And pretty tough. I don't know if you've heard

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recently this past nine months had one of the

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biggest guy -offs they're estimating. well over

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a million colonies of bees died just in the last

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nine months here in the United States. Yeah,

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we have talked all about it on this podcast,

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had Chris Hyatt on a couple of episodes ago to

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give us a good explanation. And we're waiting

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like everybody else to see what the cause is.

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Nobody really knows yet. Well, it's interesting

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for me, this winter had really mixed results.

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I had some bee yards I've lost really high, you

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know, 46, 50. 100 % of my bees died and other

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bee yards, well, I lost none or had less than

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10 % loss. And so it strikes me that, you know,

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if it was something that beekeepers were doing

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or myself, you know, because they treat all my

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hides the same, I managed them all the same.

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So if it was something that I was doing wrong

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or not doing, then I would expect to see more

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consistent losses in all my bee yards. But the

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fact that some of them get hit hard and some

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of them don't at all tells me that it's something

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outside the bee yard that's affecting them. And

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do you have any speculation on what that might

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be? Oh, of course. Everyone's got speculation.

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But we're doing a sweepstakes here. Whoever gets

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it right wins. So go ahead and put your two cents

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in. Well, unfortunately, I believe it probably

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if not partially, if not wholly responsible is

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the pesticides and the inadequate regulation

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of pesticides that goes on in the United States,

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especially. And now that they're also finding

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that a lot of the forever chemicals, the PFAS

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and stuff are in the pesticides as well. Yeah.

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And the bees are being exposed and we know it

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harms them. The neonics are a big problem because

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they're systemic and you can't prevent the bees

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from being exposed and be farmers are using them

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even when they don't even have a pest problem.

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I got a feeling that that's it. But, you know,

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I'm holding back and waiting for the results.

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I know there's over a dozen researchers, all

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taking samples and looking into this to try to

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figure out what's going on. So I'll be looking

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forward to seeing the results. Yeah, me too.

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And I love that you brought all of that up about

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the chemicals and the forever chemicals. And

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whether that explains this year's particular

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die off or not, it's got to be a long term problem.

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And I'm on board with you. We need to do something

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about it. This episode is going to come out either

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late March or early April of 2025. What's it

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like in spring where you are as far as how you

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take care of your bees? Do they need a lot of

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food or what's going on right now? Well, no,

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if I do everything right in fall, I don't have

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to do a whole lot in the spring. But there's

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often, you know, a hive here or there that for

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some reason have used more honey than I anticipated

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or expected. And so they might eat some feeding.

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The best feed for a bee, there's honey in the

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comb. So I will take honey. The first thing I

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do is take honey from Hodgson. have died over

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the winter and if as long as they haven't died

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from diseases contagious I'll use that honey

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to feed my bees rather than feed them sugar syrup

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or high fructose corn syrup or god forbid or

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whatever because that's just going to make them

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healthier and so mostly it's just nowadays trying

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to guess when spring is the weather patterns

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are shifting and changing or the last two years

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I've gotten into my bees way earlier than ever

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before usually it was toward the end of April

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now it's Last couple years, it's been the beginning

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of April, first, second leak of April, I've gotten

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into them. We'll see what happens this year.

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I appreciate all of that info and let's jump

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right into it. I want to learn more about apitherapy.

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You mentioned that you were mentored by someone

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that was really into this. Is that how you got

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into it or did you learn in other ways? No, no,

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that was my exposure through Charlie Maraz and

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going to some of the meetings of the American

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Apotherapy Society, which she was a founding

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member of, and just learning of it or learning

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about it. Having him teach me how to do it, reading

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his book on it, appreciating of all the gifts

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the bees provide, you know, that everything about

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a beehive is so healing, not just for the environment,

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but for humans as well. Literally everything.

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Honey, the propolis, which is the tree resins

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the bees gather and create a The most powerful

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antimicrobial substance found in nature, pollen,

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royal jelly, and the bee venom, even the beeswax,

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everything has uses for healing and health. And

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so if you have access to a beehive, you got access

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to a cornucopia of healing and healthy materials

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and products that are affordable and will remain

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affordable because the pharmaceutical companies

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can't patent them and control their distribution

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and charge a ton of money for it. Anyone with

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a beehive can have access to these things. Unfortunately,

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that's part of the reason why there hasn't been,

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until more recent years, a huge amount of research

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into the effects of the bee products and their

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health healing properties, because there's just

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not a lot of money in it that can be controlled.

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For the masses, I think that's just a great inexpensive,

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accessible source of health and healing products.

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And that's going to be especially important,

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I think, as we go forward here in the future.

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The way things seem to be going, we keep getting

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more and more chaotic weather, which is creating

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destabilization in society. And if for some reason

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you don't have access to health care when you

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need it, but you have access to a beehive, you

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could be saving your life or the life of loved

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ones or even just friends, neighbors, people

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who need help if you have access to a beehive

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and you're aware of what the properties of the

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bee products are. Let's talk about some of these

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things individually. Let's start with propolis.

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We beekeepers know what it is. It can go anywhere

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from sticky to crunchy. What is the best way

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to harvest it, and what ways do you suggest that

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we use it, and for what? The best way to harvest

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it, it depends, you know. It depends. There's

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always more than one approach. Because propolis

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acts as an extension of the honey bee's immune

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system, I purposely do not harvest propolis from

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my hives intentionally. which would be to put

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a some kind of a propolis trap in the hive something

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that is has holes in it is rough surface or something

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and and allows air or light through maybe you

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put it up and replace the inner cover with it

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and the bees will because they use propolis as

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a building material as well as a way to sterilize

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the inside of the hive they will feel those holes

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or that rough surface with propolis typically

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people will use some kind of a plastic or nylon

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material that's easy to twist and bend after

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it's been frozen because propolis as you mentioned

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very sticky when it's warm but get hard and brittle

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when it's cold so you would take that propolis

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trap after it's been filled with propolis put

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it in the freezer let it get hard the propolis

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get hard and brittle and then you take it out

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of freezer and just kind of tweak the bend the

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plastic or the mesh or whatever you use and the

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propolis quacks and breaks off and then you can

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reuse the trap. But myself, I only harvest the

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propolis that I come across in chunks when I'm

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harvesting my honey. So on the frames or in the

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supers there's often propolis and I will harvest

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that because I'm not really looking to take the

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propolis from the bees. They need it to be as

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healthy as possible and that's possibly part

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of the problem. I mean, there's a lot of factors

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going into the current state of health of the

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bees and why they're suffering so much. And one

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of them is that over the years beekeepers bred

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bees for those that didn't produce a lot of propolis

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because it's bee glue, you know, is one of the

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things the beekeepers call it as a nickname for

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it because it glues everything together and makes

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it hard to manipulate the frames and take things

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apart. And so beekeepers have preferred bees

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over the years that didn't. produce much propolis,

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but now we've been learning thanks to Mala Spivak

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and her work, a lot of the work that was done

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at the University of Minnesota, propolis is really

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important for healthy bees and it's really important

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for healthy people in that regard. And that's

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why I do collect it and then I'll use it and

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make, usually I'll make a tincture out of it,

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but you can also find it ground up in capsules

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or you can just use it straight raw. grape of

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sore throat. How do you tincture it? What's your

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recipe for a tincture? I don't know if you're

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familiar with herbalism and stuff. Most herbalists

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will use like 80 proof alcohol, you know, like

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vodka or something to soak their herbs in and

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remove the medicinal properties. But the propolis,

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because the majority of it are these tree resins

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that are very dense, 80 proof alcohol, just 40

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% alcohol, is not enough. to dissolve it. You

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actually need a minimum of 70 % alcohol, or 130,

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140 proof. If I do it, I just get the pure grain

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alcohol, 95, 100 % alcohol, and I use that, and

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I prefer organic, so I avoid any chemical contaminants

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that might get into it. And that, I find, makes

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the best propolis tincture. X amount of propolis,

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put it in a pint of this alcohol, let it sit

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for a couple of months. How do you do it? Yeah,

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that's basically it. I'll fill up the jar most

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of the way with propolis and then pour in the

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alcohol and, you know, let it sit for a minimum

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of two weeks, shake it once a day. And by the

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end of that, all the propolis is pretty much

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dissolved. There'll be some gunk along, I find,

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along the bottom, which is usually the beeswax.

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other stuff that's in the propolis that the bees

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use when they create the propolis, and then you

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can pull off the propolis -infused alcohol. That's

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one way. Other people, there's other ways of

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making it. There's a water, you know, non -alcohol

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way of doing it, because some people have issues

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with alcohol or it's drawing to the skin or whatever.

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But I think, personally, I think the alcohol

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makes the best tincture, gets the most of the

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material out of the propolis and into the tincture.

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and it preserves it the best. So what do you

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use it for personally? And I know we can't speak

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as medical advice here, we'll get in trouble,

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but what does Ross use it for? I find when I

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have a sore throat, really great for just knocking

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it right out. I'll put a dropper full, coat my

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throat before I go to bed at night and again

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in the morning and usually within a couple days,

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sore throat's gone. Very good for external, any

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kind of external infections and things, wounds.

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Or quite frankly, Because I tend to be one that

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as much as I appreciate the modern medical system,

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especially when it comes to physical things,

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I find that they have a real challenge when it

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comes to any degenerative diseases. They haven't

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really figured that stuff out. And so I'll turn

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to a lot of I might do what the doctor recommends,

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but I'll also do my own more natural supplements

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and food products in herbal fox and populous

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whenever I'm dealing with a any kind of viral

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infection, bacterial infection, or anything like

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that, fungal. I will often take populous as part

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areas. In fact, because our glaciers are melting

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at such a rapid pace, there was a recent discovery

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of a, they called him the Ice Man, some guy that

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had died hundreds of years ago, frozen in ice,

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finally got uncovered as the glaciers receded.

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And when they studied his body, they found dental

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problems. and his teeth and he had stuffed populace

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and beeswax in the cavities to fill the areas

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that had opened up in his teeth. Populace had

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been used as kind of a dental approach to helping

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deal with dental issues. Populace has been used

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for a long, long time. There has been studies

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that recommend more modern studies that indicate

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that it could be beneficial even today. So internally

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or topically it sounds like you can use it. Yep.

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Yeah, it's very rare for anyone to have an allergic

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reaction to propolis, but if you do, usually

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it's just, you know, you have some skin reaction

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and you just cut back the propolis and the skin

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clears up. It's pretty darn safe, as far as I

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know. Let's jump around. Tell me more about royal

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jelly and how people use it. Well, royal jelly

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is kind of a milking substance that the bees

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produce in glands in their bodies that they feed

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to all the young bees when they're first hatched

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from the egg. All the larva gets royal jelly

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for the first three days or so and then after

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that the worker bees the female worker bees and

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the drone the male drones they get switched over

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to a mix of the royal jelly with some honey and

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pollen mixed in but the queen bee she only gets

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royal jelly fed to her her whole life. which

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is tend to be why they call it royal jelly. Unfortunately,

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to get royal jelly, you have to remove the queen

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from the hive. So it's pretty stressful on a

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colony to produce royal jelly. It's also basically

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very labor intensive. This is why most if pretty

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much not all of the royal jelly available on

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the market comes from China, because that's the

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only place where they can basically pay people

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hardly anything to produce this royal jelly because

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basically what happens is in each queen cell

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that the bee when you remove the queen from the

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hive the bees start building new queen cells

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to start raising new queens to try to replace

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her and they deposit in a glob of royal jelly

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in every one of those wax cells to feed the developing

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larvae And then before that wax cell gets capped

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for the larva to go through its pupation to develop

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into a fully mature queen bee, you have to go

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in with like usually they use a little suction

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device to suck up all those little globs of royal

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jelly. So it's very, very labor intensive and

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kind of stressful and hard on the bees. But it

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does have apparently a lot of pretty powerful

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medicinal benefits. One of the primary differences

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between a worker bee that can live for maybe

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five, six, eight weeks during the summer at best,

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and a queen bee that typically should be able

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to live for five years. That diet makes the difference,

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and this is powerful bee food. It comes from

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the bee's body. It's got all kinds of bee hormones

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and enzymes and lots of bee vitamins and protein

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and has its own antiviral, antifungal properties.

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Way back in the older days in Asia, the emperors

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were given royal jelly because it was believed,

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after observing the queen bees in the high, that

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it would help the emperor to not only live long

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but be sexually virile and vibrant in his old

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age to help keep the genetic family line going.

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Personally, I don't use raw or jelly a whole

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lot just because it is so stressful to the beehives.

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All right, we're going in no particular order.

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I'll give you a heads up, Ross, though I want

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to save bee venom for last. That's something

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I'm super interested in. Let's talk about pollen

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next. Pollen is considered a superfood because

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it's so packed with vitamins and protein and

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minerals. The pollen that the plants produce

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in the area around the hive, the bees gather

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it up as they fly through the air to actually

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build up a static electric charge on their bodies

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so the pollen grains will stick to them kind

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of like a balloon sticking to the wall after

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you rub it on your hair. And the bees will, they

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actually have kind of the comb -like hairs on

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their legs that they can use to groom themselves

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and comb that pollen into a little ball that

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they carry on their hind legs. back to the hive

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and that is the primary source for all their

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fats, protein, vitamins, and minerals. They actually

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will ferment that pollen by adding a little bit

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of nectar or honey to it. In the honey or nectar

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is this beneficial bacteria and when they add

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it to the pollen it mixes with the pollen will

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cause the pollen to ferment after it's been placed

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in the cells of storage. And that's the long

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-term storage because pollen is actually highly

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degradable. It's perishable. And so the bees

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know that you ferment it as a way of storing

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it for long -term use, like, for example, during

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the winter, and they have no access to the pollen

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outside. And for people to use, there are various,

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quote, pollen traps that beekeepers can get,

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put in a hive, collect some pollen. Would you

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tell us two things? One, How do people make sure

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they're being careful not to collect too much

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pollen so that it's hurting the colony? And then

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two, how do people use pollen and what for? So

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yeah, that's a good point. You know, if you take

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too much pollen from the high that's going to

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harm them, because that's their primary source

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of food for the young. They primarily use pollen

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to feed and raise the young dees. And when you

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have a high that's... you know could be raising

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one over a thousand new bees every day during

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the peak of the summer. That's a lot of pollen

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that gets used. How do we know that we're not

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taking too much? Should we put a pollen trap

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in maybe one day a week and take it out or what

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would be safe? Yeah something like that you know

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one or two three days at the most but then take

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it out so they get some in. Sometimes the bees

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figure it out on their own. I've seen bees that

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you had a pollen trap on the hive and then the

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bees started gathering smaller pellets of pollen

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on their legs that they could slip through the

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trap and get it in because the way the pollen

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trap works basically it creates an opening that's

00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:58.079
so small at the entrance to the hive the bees

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kind of have to squeeze through it to get in

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and it knocks the pollen off their hind legs

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and it falls through a screen where you can collect

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it in a tray and the bees have learned to sometimes

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gather just enough so they can squeeze through

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and still get the pollen into the hive. With

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any other openings than where the pollen trap

00:23:17.009 --> 00:23:19.710
is, they'll use that opening to get the pollen

00:23:19.710 --> 00:23:22.430
into the hive. If the bees aren't able to figure

00:23:22.430 --> 00:23:26.250
it out, the beekeeper needs to definitely assist

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them and make sure that the trap isn't on full

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time and that it's taken off with enough guns

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and with enough space and period of time to allow

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the bees to bring in. the food that they're going

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to need to feed their young and keep developing

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the colony through the season as they need to.

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Yeah, that is super important. OK, health wise,

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what do you use it for? Well, it's just it's

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a super food. It's got actually better, higher

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quality protein, some pollens, than beef, quite

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literally. So it is a pretty powerful. It kind

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of depends though, you got to remember pollen,

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it's being gathered from the flowers in the area,

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so much of the quality of the pollen is going

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to depend on where the bees have been foraging

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and what flowers they've been visiting. But basically,

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it's just powerful nutrition. Any kind of issues

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you have with nutritional deficiency, the resource

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of the problem, the pollen has the potential

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to help alleviate that because it is such a powerful

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nutrient dense food. Can it help with allergies

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like honey can? Interestingly enough, a lot of

00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:44.700
people have found that it does. It's based on

00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:48.059
this basic idea that immunization shots are based

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on where you get exposed to something and if

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it doesn't kill you, right, then your body gives

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up an immunity to it. And so that's the idea

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when it comes to pollen. A lot of times, you

00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:02.559
know, beekeepers will, you know, or you hear

00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.079
that it's raw honey that you should eat. But

00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.319
that's just a way to sell more honey. The reality

00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.200
is raw honey is not filtered or heated. So it's

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still going to have the pollen in it. A little

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bit of pollen from the flowers that the bees

00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:17.680
gather, the nectar from to create the honey.

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There's going to be some pollen that gets in

00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:23.339
there. And that is if you have an allergy to

00:25:23.339 --> 00:25:26.579
that pollen, but you consume very small amounts

00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:30.569
of it, it can actually help your body to build

00:25:30.569 --> 00:25:33.210
up immunity so you don't get those kind of hay

00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:36.829
fever symptoms as often people experience in

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spring or fall. It's not really the raw honey

00:25:39.750 --> 00:25:42.890
that's doing it, it's the pollen. And so the

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best perhaps treatment, if you will, or approach,

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you'd want to get pollen from the plants that

00:25:51.690 --> 00:25:55.250
you are allergic to. Whether it's goldenrod or...

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you know dandelions or whatever and then there

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is a protocol that's been established through

00:26:00.059 --> 00:26:03.799
the American Apotherapy Society where you take

00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.559
you know one half of one of those little pollen

00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.440
balls that has been collected from the bees that

00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:11.839
you can buy in like health food stores or whatever

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and and you eat that one day and then the next

00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.920
day as long as you're not getting a bad reaction

00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.180
or something maybe you'll eat a whole one whole

00:26:19.180 --> 00:26:21.980
pollen ball and then the next day after that

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you double it so then you have two and then the

00:26:24.130 --> 00:26:26.349
next day you have four, and then the next day

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eight, and then 16, and then maybe a quarter

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teaspoon, and half a teaspoon, and a full teaspoon.

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And usually after that, you know, 10 or 14 days

00:26:36.829 --> 00:26:40.869
of taking the pollen like that, people find they

00:26:40.869 --> 00:26:44.329
can, they don't have the kind of reactions that

00:26:44.329 --> 00:26:47.549
they normally would have. So the first thing

00:26:47.549 --> 00:26:50.710
that got me interested in beekeeping years ago

00:26:50.710 --> 00:26:55.490
was for this purpose for seasonal allergies and

00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:59.410
I had read a lot about it and I didn't know much

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but just what I had read and the advice was have

00:27:03.009 --> 00:27:05.960
some kind of a an amount that you take every

00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.059
day a teaspoon or whatever of raw honey from

00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:12.220
your area. So I went out, bought some raw honey

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from a beekeeper that's about 150 miles away

00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:19.960
from where I live, but relatively similar terrain

00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.599
and vegetation and that kind of stuff. Now, I

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.480
don't know if that beekeeper filtered their honey

00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:29.279
or not. All I know is I set up my own protocol.

00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:32.700
I took a little honey every day for months. Here

00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:37.460
came spring and I was just as bad as usual and

00:27:37.460 --> 00:27:40.859
I just said okay. Well, this doesn't work until

00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:45.220
I read that this really is a hyper local kind

00:27:45.220 --> 00:27:49.319
of thing and Since I have had my own beehives

00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:53.859
on my own property and I do that and my allergies

00:27:53.859 --> 00:27:56.660
are Significantly better now. They're not gone,

00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.240
but they are way way better than they used to

00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.079
be Well, that's an interesting experience because

00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:04.740
personally, I'm not so sure it needs to be that

00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:10.000
hyperlocal. In theory, if the honey is gathered,

00:28:10.180 --> 00:28:11.980
where the nectar is gathered to make the honey,

00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.380
from flowers that you have allergies to, it should

00:28:15.380 --> 00:28:17.680
work. Whether those flowers are in your backyard

00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:23.079
or 150, 350 miles away in the general area or

00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.960
region. And I don't know if they were the same

00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.200
flowers or if that honey was being sifted. For

00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.859
some reason, it didn't work for me. Sure. That's

00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:34.680
part of it. And that's part of the problem in

00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:38.319
beekeeping and in the marketplace. There is little

00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:45.059
to no policing of label claims. So people can,

00:28:45.380 --> 00:28:48.480
there's no definition from the government on

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.079
what raw honey actually is. And I know for a

00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.119
fact, there are beekeepers out there that heat

00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:56.759
their honey and they filter it and they put raw

00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:02.119
on the label. And no one questions it or consumers

00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:05.339
don't know the difference. To me, an egg that

00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:09.279
is soft -boiled is not raw. It's been exposed

00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:12.460
to heat. It's no longer raw. It's not hard -boiled.

00:29:12.599 --> 00:29:14.920
It's not fully cooked. But it's not raw. And

00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:17.220
to me, the same thing with honey. beekeepers,

00:29:17.579 --> 00:29:21.299
they only heat it to 120 degrees or only 160

00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:24.319
degrees for a short near period of time or whatever.

00:29:24.859 --> 00:29:28.660
To me, that's not real honey. Real honey is period

00:29:28.660 --> 00:29:31.920
no heat added other than worse than room temperature

00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:34.440
basically or high temperature. You're preaching

00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.859
to the choir here. I couldn't agree with you

00:29:36.859 --> 00:29:39.799
more. And there's also the term organic, which

00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:42.539
I see a lot of people put on their honey. And

00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:44.279
I know where their hives are, and there's no

00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.920
way they can guarantee that that's organic. Well,

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.420
that that's interesting, because, you know, organic

00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:55.779
is a federally regulated term. And you're not

00:29:55.779 --> 00:30:00.259
legally, you're not supposed to put organic and

00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:03.210
call your honey organic unless you need specific

00:30:03.210 --> 00:30:07.130
criteria and have been inspected by a third party

00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:12.170
to confirm the organic nature of your operation.

00:30:12.849 --> 00:30:16.589
And so if you actually are seeing that, you can

00:30:16.589 --> 00:30:21.369
report that to the regional organic certifier

00:30:21.369 --> 00:30:25.529
who will correct that inappropriate marketing

00:30:25.529 --> 00:30:28.910
and labeling. And I just think it's a matter

00:30:28.910 --> 00:30:31.839
of not knowing and understanding that. I mean,

00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.779
go to your local farmers market. Chances are

00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.000
you're going to see a beekeeper that's done that.

00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:38.640
And they just don't know any better. I don't

00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.400
think they're trying to be colluding in some

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.279
big scheme or something or other. What else can

00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:48.160
you tell us about honey besides allergies? Internally,

00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.059
topically, what should we use honey for? Oh,

00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:53.720
my gosh. What do you not use honey for? Yeah,

00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.539
exactly. The first aid kit in a jar. Quite literally.

00:30:56.750 --> 00:30:59.690
Let's talk about burns and cuts, things like

00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:03.789
that. Yeah. Well, you see, honey is a unique

00:31:03.789 --> 00:31:06.650
substance, even though there are people now trying

00:31:06.650 --> 00:31:10.730
because the honey bees are dying. That's large

00:31:10.730 --> 00:31:13.549
numbers every year. People are worried. And so

00:31:13.549 --> 00:31:16.609
there's people that have started creating synthetic

00:31:16.609 --> 00:31:20.069
honey, not real honey, but it's honey like the

00:31:20.069 --> 00:31:23.349
honey is unique in that it is, first of all.

00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:26.359
you know, it's got a pH level because of the

00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:29.920
sugars that inhibits the growth of bacteria and

00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:32.339
things. I mean, we've been using sugar to preserve

00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:35.539
jams and jellies, for example, for eons, right?

00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:38.640
But honey goes much farther than that because

00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:44.619
honey is hygroscopic. That means the bees have

00:31:44.619 --> 00:31:47.480
removed so much moisture from that honey, so

00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.099
it's down to usually below 18 % moisture content

00:31:51.099 --> 00:31:54.819
that the honey wants to Draw moisture to itself.

00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.640
So actually if you leave a jar of honey with

00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.720
the lid off just on your kitchen table For a

00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.420
week or two it can draw enough humidity out of

00:32:03.420 --> 00:32:07.640
the air to significantly raise the moisture level

00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.940
of the honey in that jar but when honey is fully

00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.900
ripened by bees with a moisture level below about

00:32:14.900 --> 00:32:20.220
18 % then nothing harmful to humans can grow

00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:24.180
in that honey because What happens is that honey,

00:32:24.180 --> 00:32:26.920
it wants to attract moisture to itself. So any

00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:30.480
bacteria, for example, that gets into that honey,

00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.019
the honey will suck the moisture out of it and

00:32:33.019 --> 00:32:37.099
destroy it and kill it, desiccate it. Honey also,

00:32:37.619 --> 00:32:40.680
if it's raw honey and hasn't been heated, it

00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:43.539
contains still the enzymes that the bees put

00:32:43.539 --> 00:32:46.759
into that honey when they created it. Heat destroys

00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:50.359
enzymes. if it hasn't been heated and it's raw,

00:32:50.779 --> 00:32:54.740
one of the enzymes is glucose oxidase, which

00:32:54.740 --> 00:32:58.059
when that breaks down on your skin, forms the

00:32:58.059 --> 00:33:01.319
number of compounds, including hydrogen peroxide.

00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:05.980
So if you have a cut or a wound and you put honey

00:33:05.980 --> 00:33:11.259
on it, it will release the small amounts of hydrogen

00:33:11.259 --> 00:33:15.460
peroxide continually as it breaks down, so it's

00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:19.509
sterilizing the the wound. It's sucking the moisture

00:33:19.509 --> 00:33:22.190
out of any bacteria it comes in contact with,

00:33:23.289 --> 00:33:29.190
and it's just amazing really for healing of exterior

00:33:29.190 --> 00:33:33.130
wounds. I know for myself, whenever I get a cut

00:33:33.130 --> 00:33:35.430
or something and I don't really take care of

00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:37.490
it properly and start to get reddened and infected,

00:33:38.109 --> 00:33:41.309
I put a little bob of raw honey on it at night

00:33:41.309 --> 00:33:43.670
before I go to bed and cover it with a band -aid

00:33:43.670 --> 00:33:45.880
or a piece of gauze or something. And when I

00:33:45.880 --> 00:33:47.720
wake up in the morning, when I take that band

00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.460
-aid or gauze off, every time I've done it, the

00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.500
red is gone. It's gotten rid of the infection.

00:33:54.339 --> 00:33:57.740
And in fact, it's so powerful for healing that

00:33:57.740 --> 00:34:01.039
in most countries, not so much here in the United

00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:03.859
States, but like I said, we're all about money

00:34:03.859 --> 00:34:06.380
here. You can't patent natural things like honey.

00:34:06.740 --> 00:34:10.940
But in most countries, the preferred healing

00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:14.440
modality for burns, as you had mentioned, is

00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.739
honey. It just is superior to the silver dying

00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:22.500
ointment or whatever it is that most hospitals

00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:25.159
you hear in the US use. Because not only does

00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.860
it prevent the site from getting infected, but

00:34:27.860 --> 00:34:31.619
it keeps the wound moist and it actually feeds

00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:35.619
the cells so they can grow back faster. And it's

00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:38.699
a lot more humane, quite frankly. The modern

00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:42.570
day version of the silver impregnated ointment

00:34:42.570 --> 00:34:45.190
that they typically put on burn victims here

00:34:45.190 --> 00:34:48.869
in the US it has to be scraped off each day and

00:34:48.869 --> 00:34:53.969
reapplied and that's an incredibly painful process.

00:34:54.550 --> 00:34:57.309
With honey you put it on and it just absorbs

00:34:57.309 --> 00:34:59.869
in and breaks down naturally there's no scraping

00:34:59.869 --> 00:35:03.170
off the next day you simply lift up the the wound

00:35:03.170 --> 00:35:05.989
dressing and you apply the new honey and you

00:35:05.989 --> 00:35:08.710
cover it back up. It works so much better also

00:35:08.710 --> 00:35:11.329
because they find that when treated with honey

00:35:11.530 --> 00:35:14.710
the typical discoloration of the skin that occurs

00:35:14.710 --> 00:35:18.269
with burn victims is much less than in many cases,

00:35:18.309 --> 00:35:21.750
there is no discoloration. It just heals so much

00:35:21.750 --> 00:35:25.030
better. It's just astounding. It really is. But

00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:28.670
unfortunately, it's not a big moneymaker, which

00:35:28.670 --> 00:35:32.030
is why it's not really promoted and used as much

00:35:32.030 --> 00:35:35.510
as it really should be in my view. Is there such

00:35:35.510 --> 00:35:38.949
a thing as medical grade honey? Or can I take

00:35:38.949 --> 00:35:41.760
honey right out of my hive and put it on a burn.

00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:44.559
Well, there is medical -grade honey. Because

00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.099
of all the research that was being done and the

00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:49.519
experience in other countries here in the U .S.,

00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:52.659
the Food and Drug Administration finally, after

00:35:52.659 --> 00:35:56.440
many years, approved one certain type of honey

00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:01.500
to be used. It's called Medihoney. And you can

00:36:01.500 --> 00:36:04.179
get it now in hospitals, if they have it. You

00:36:04.179 --> 00:36:07.539
probably have to ask for it. But it is from the

00:36:07.539 --> 00:36:11.190
manuka plant. which is primarily in New Zealand

00:36:11.190 --> 00:36:16.489
and Australia, and it's been, you know, highly

00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:21.389
purified and elediated to kill any germs or viruses.

00:36:21.869 --> 00:36:25.710
It's been treated to be medically acceptable.

00:36:26.130 --> 00:36:31.050
But as you kind of pointed out, really, any honey

00:36:31.050 --> 00:36:36.010
that is raw, unheated and unfiltered will work

00:36:36.010 --> 00:36:40.570
just about as well. It doesn't have to be this

00:36:40.570 --> 00:36:44.510
$35 an ounce honey that the medical establishment

00:36:44.510 --> 00:36:48.670
uses. Your honey from your hive will work quite

00:36:48.670 --> 00:36:51.769
well as well. It may not work as perfect, but

00:36:51.769 --> 00:36:55.230
it will work most likely adequately and sufficiently

00:36:55.230 --> 00:36:59.650
for your use. Thank you. Great explanation. Okay,

00:36:59.710 --> 00:37:02.190
we've talked about using honey topically. How

00:37:02.190 --> 00:37:04.449
about internally? What kinds of things can it

00:37:04.449 --> 00:37:07.760
help us with? Well, one of the reasons why this

00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.099
Medi honey was approved is because this manuka

00:37:10.099 --> 00:37:14.039
honey actually in studies was the most effective

00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.079
at killing the bacteria that causes ulcers and

00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:20.340
So that's why it got accepted. But so yeah, there's

00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:23.000
a bunch of different uses It can help with sleep

00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:26.059
issues. It can help with weight issues. It helps

00:37:26.059 --> 00:37:28.880
really great with sore throats In fact one study

00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:31.900
that compared it to over -the -counter cough

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:35.579
syrups, for example with kids The kids liked

00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:38.159
the honey better. It was less expensive and it

00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:40.519
worked better than the over the counter stuff.

00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:43.579
So yeah, there's all kinds, all kinds of, I mean,

00:37:43.579 --> 00:37:45.960
I can't get into all the stuff that really the

00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:48.760
American Apothecary Society will be the place

00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.639
to go. If you or your listeners wanted to learn

00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.460
more, they're just a clearing house for information

00:37:54.460 --> 00:37:57.559
on the use of honeybee products for healing and

00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:01.219
health. AAS, you can find them online, really

00:38:01.219 --> 00:38:03.159
cheap to become a member. And if you become a

00:38:03.159 --> 00:38:06.579
member, you get access to their international

00:38:06.579 --> 00:38:09.980
list of apotherapists all over the world. People

00:38:09.980 --> 00:38:14.380
who are using the products to help promote healing

00:38:14.380 --> 00:38:17.239
and health. You can get help. Like, for example,

00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.300
if you wanted to get bee stings, for example,

00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:21.559
you could find sources for bees. You could find

00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.599
maybe people that will apply the bee stings for

00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.219
you, that type of thing. We'll put a link to

00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:28.599
their website in the show notes so that people

00:38:28.599 --> 00:38:31.539
can find it easily. All right. Lastly, since

00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:35.019
you just brought up bee stings, Let's talk venom.

00:38:35.539 --> 00:38:37.539
What can you get us started on with bee venom?

00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:39.679
Well, that's the business end of the honeybee,

00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:45.420
right? Yep, bees use the venom to try to discourage

00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:50.119
predators. When a bee stings you, it actually

00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:54.280
unlike all the other stinging insects, the honeybee

00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:57.679
will die. The honeybee stinger is barbed like

00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:01.579
an arrow and because your skin is stretchy. If

00:39:01.579 --> 00:39:04.059
you get stung by a bee, that stinger that tends

00:39:04.059 --> 00:39:06.739
to get caught in your skin, the bee will pull

00:39:06.739 --> 00:39:10.840
so hard to try to remove the stinger, it'll rip

00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.679
out its entrails, and within a fairly short period

00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:19.179
of time, it will die. So it's not in the honeybee's

00:39:19.179 --> 00:39:21.400
interest to go around stinging people for no

00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.840
reason, right? First of all, people need to know

00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.980
they're only going to sting if they feel threatened.

00:39:26.849 --> 00:39:30.489
If you are really close to the hive or disturbing

00:39:30.489 --> 00:39:34.110
their hive, if you are swatting at them or something,

00:39:34.130 --> 00:39:36.130
it may feel personally like you're trying to,

00:39:36.130 --> 00:39:37.690
and while you step on them or something, then

00:39:37.690 --> 00:39:39.909
they'll sting you. But normally, honey bees,

00:39:40.610 --> 00:39:42.150
they're really gentle creatures. They're not

00:39:42.150 --> 00:39:43.989
looking for problems and trouble, and they're

00:39:43.989 --> 00:39:46.570
not going to bother people. What are people using

00:39:46.570 --> 00:39:52.889
bee venom for? Primarily for things like rheumatoid

00:39:52.889 --> 00:39:58.079
diseases, like arthritis. and for multiple sclerosis.

00:39:58.260 --> 00:40:00.219
It can help with shingles, things like that.

00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:02.639
All these rheumatoid -type diseases seem to be

00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.500
very effective. And there's some certain types

00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:08.900
of cancers that have been helped with B -venom.

00:40:09.139 --> 00:40:11.719
This is all kind of experimental, if you will.

00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:16.920
There's no standard protocols that are approved.

00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:20.780
And all these products, they're natural products.

00:40:21.099 --> 00:40:23.019
Like I said, they're not patented or anything.

00:40:23.420 --> 00:40:27.300
Mostly what they all do is they're about building

00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:30.579
up the body's immune system so the body can heal

00:40:30.579 --> 00:40:34.900
itself. I think any physician or health practitioner,

00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:37.039
if they're honest, they'll tell you they don't

00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:40.079
heal people. They try to create the environment

00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:43.539
where the body can then do the healing that it

00:40:43.539 --> 00:40:47.239
needs to do to deal with the situation. And that's

00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:50.679
what apotherapy is about, building up the body's

00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:52.980
immune response so it can start to heal itself.

00:40:53.369 --> 00:40:56.849
and help the body get to heal. Is it the body

00:40:56.849 --> 00:40:59.230
that does the healing, not the treatment real

00:40:59.230 --> 00:41:01.909
ultimately, right? You just want to create the

00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:03.769
environment for the body to be able to do that,

00:41:03.849 --> 00:41:06.969
what it needs to do. I saw recently an article

00:41:06.969 --> 00:41:09.769
from, I forget which country in Europe, where

00:41:09.769 --> 00:41:12.909
they had set up a thing where people were breathing

00:41:12.909 --> 00:41:17.690
hive air. They had like a tube that went into

00:41:17.690 --> 00:41:20.710
the hive and a little face mask on the other

00:41:20.710 --> 00:41:23.469
end and you could sit there and just breathe

00:41:23.469 --> 00:41:26.409
hive air. Have you ever heard of that? Oh yeah,

00:41:26.590 --> 00:41:29.070
yeah this is a kind of a newer thing. There are

00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:32.989
even like beds that are above the hive and then

00:41:32.989 --> 00:41:36.570
all the air feeds into this little room or kind

00:41:36.570 --> 00:41:38.690
of that you you crawl into and you can sleep

00:41:38.690 --> 00:41:42.570
there and get exposed to the the smell of the

00:41:42.570 --> 00:41:45.619
hive basically. And you know, it's got the aromatic

00:41:45.619 --> 00:41:49.420
compounds from the propolis. And primarily, it's

00:41:49.420 --> 00:41:52.980
probably the biggest part of it. And it can apparently

00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:55.800
help with certain things in certain conditions.

00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.800
In getting back to the bee venom, if I may. Yes,

00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.599
please. I just want to explain a little bit about

00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.000
how it seems to work. When you get stung with

00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:06.940
a bee, you know, it kind of hurts. That always

00:42:06.940 --> 00:42:10.860
is the case. So typically, what you want to do...

00:42:11.070 --> 00:42:14.429
If you're getting bee stings for therapeutic

00:42:14.429 --> 00:42:18.030
purposes, you want to put some ice or something

00:42:18.030 --> 00:42:20.309
frozen on the area that you're going to sting

00:42:20.309 --> 00:42:23.530
ahead of time so that it kind of numbs the area,

00:42:23.590 --> 00:42:26.210
and that way the bee sting itself doesn't hurt

00:42:26.210 --> 00:42:30.070
as much. And then when you do get stung, of course,

00:42:30.309 --> 00:42:33.190
all the blood rushes to the area, which is why

00:42:33.190 --> 00:42:36.429
often you get swelling. Like with any treatment,

00:42:36.650 --> 00:42:38.570
any kind of medical treatment, there's side effects

00:42:38.570 --> 00:42:43.420
with bee stings. swelling, itchy redness, might

00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:46.900
be sore and painful, that type of thing. And

00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:48.639
the reason you get the swelling, of course, is

00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.500
because all the blood is rushing to that area.

00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:55.199
And that, though, is bringing the healing properties

00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.480
that are in your blood to focus on the area that

00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:01.780
you've stung. And those areas tend to be the

00:43:01.780 --> 00:43:05.099
areas that hurt the most, is typically how Charlie

00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:07.480
Maas would do it, which he explains in his book,

00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:09.199
A Health and the Honey Bee, I think it's called.

00:43:09.769 --> 00:43:12.650
Basically, he would press all around the joint,

00:43:13.090 --> 00:43:14.989
just bothering a person, and find the places

00:43:14.989 --> 00:43:18.010
that hurt the most, and with a pen, you know,

00:43:18.210 --> 00:43:20.730
just a little dot on that spot, so he knew where

00:43:20.730 --> 00:43:23.829
to apply the sting. And you apply the ice to

00:43:23.829 --> 00:43:26.610
it first to numb it, and then he would reach

00:43:26.610 --> 00:43:28.909
into a jar that he collected some bees in with

00:43:28.909 --> 00:43:32.309
a pair of forceps, and grab the bee and touch

00:43:32.309 --> 00:43:35.309
the tip of the abdomen, tune that spot, so the

00:43:35.309 --> 00:43:38.280
bee would deposit its stinger. in the skin and

00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:41.280
then leave it there for a good 10 minutes or

00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.360
so to allow all the venom to be deposited into

00:43:44.360 --> 00:43:47.500
the site. And one of the things that researchers

00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:50.960
have found is that the bee venom stimulates the

00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:55.260
body's production of cortisol. Cortisol is the

00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:59.820
natural version of cortisone, which is the drug

00:43:59.820 --> 00:44:04.000
that's patented. and provided to people who have

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:06.800
pain from arthritis, for example. It helps to

00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:10.440
relieve that pain. Well, cortisol does that naturally.

00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:13.260
That's the body's version. The problem is the

00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:17.079
cortisone shot that you get, that chemical is

00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.320
not exactly the same formulation as the cortisol

00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.480
that your body produces. And when you get lots

00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.539
of these cortisone shots over a long period of

00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:30.059
time, it can cause real bad problems with the

00:44:30.059 --> 00:44:32.630
liver. and it could potentially kill you after

00:44:32.630 --> 00:44:34.670
a long period of time. But you don't get those

00:44:34.670 --> 00:44:37.590
kind of side effects with the cortisol that your

00:44:37.590 --> 00:44:40.530
body produces, because it is totally in harmony

00:44:40.530 --> 00:44:42.690
with your body. Your body made it. It's meant

00:44:42.690 --> 00:44:45.889
to be there. The production of cortisol by the

00:44:45.889 --> 00:44:49.010
body, though, has been found to require a block

00:44:49.010 --> 00:44:53.250
of vitamin C and B vitamins. And so people that

00:44:53.250 --> 00:44:56.150
are going to be using bee stings for healing,

00:44:56.650 --> 00:44:59.710
especially pain treatment, try to reduce pain,

00:44:59.849 --> 00:45:03.510
symptoms, it's a good idea to be taking one to

00:45:03.510 --> 00:45:07.150
two thousand milligrams of vitamin C and a multi

00:45:07.150 --> 00:45:09.989
-B complex that has all the B vitamins in it.

00:45:10.030 --> 00:45:13.130
Take one of those about an hour or so before

00:45:13.130 --> 00:45:16.409
you get stung so that your body has all the raw

00:45:16.409 --> 00:45:18.750
materials it needs to produce the maximum amount

00:45:18.750 --> 00:45:21.150
of cortisol so you can get the best benefit.

00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:23.750
Okay, I just learned two things because I've

00:45:23.750 --> 00:45:26.269
tried this a little bit. First of all, I thought

00:45:26.269 --> 00:45:29.010
you had to go for the full pain and I haven't

00:45:29.010 --> 00:45:31.969
done the ice cube thing, which seems like a super

00:45:31.969 --> 00:45:35.449
good idea. And second is the BNC vitamin. So

00:45:35.449 --> 00:45:38.389
thank you for that. There's a lot more to it

00:45:38.389 --> 00:45:40.250
too, which is why I recommend people get in touch

00:45:40.250 --> 00:45:42.769
with the American Apitherapy Society. You know,

00:45:42.889 --> 00:45:44.849
you got to take basic precautions. It's a good

00:45:44.849 --> 00:45:47.289
idea to have an EpiPen on hand because even though

00:45:47.289 --> 00:45:52.599
it's a true life -threatening Allergy, hyperallergic

00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.059
response to bee venom is very rare in the population.

00:45:56.139 --> 00:45:58.219
It could potentially happen. It's good to have

00:45:58.219 --> 00:46:01.860
an idea, have an epinephrine injector pen handy

00:46:01.860 --> 00:46:03.980
in case you go into anaphylactic shock, which

00:46:03.980 --> 00:46:06.420
is a potential side effect from getting bee stings.

00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.639
But also, because of the swelling that's involved,

00:46:09.699 --> 00:46:11.340
if you're going to sting your hands or something,

00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.440
remove your jewelry first. Take off your rings.

00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.719
Don't wear those things because if your fingers

00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.980
swell up in that... Ring is constricting it could

00:46:20.980 --> 00:46:23.920
cut off the blood supply and cause problems common

00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.440
sense. Sorry to laugh such a good good good advice

00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:30.099
there Thank you Ross. Hey, we're running out

00:46:30.099 --> 00:46:32.780
of time any last thoughts on this whole topic

00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:35.400
before I let you go Well, if I said in the beginning,

00:46:35.780 --> 00:46:38.519
you know everything from the beehive is so incredibly

00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.039
healing for the world and that's why I'm really

00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:46.860
distressed that how Bad the honeybees are suffering

00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:50.179
these days and how difficult it is and how much

00:46:50.179 --> 00:46:52.159
of a challenge beekeepers are having trying to

00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:55.960
keep the bees alive. We're not being the kind

00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:59.440
of stewards for this incredible world that was

00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.780
inherited, that we should be. One of the things

00:47:02.780 --> 00:47:07.599
that I've learned from the bees is that it takes,

00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:11.400
they estimate, a honeybee working its entire

00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.000
life gathering nectar to produce honey can produce

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.329
about one -twelfth of a teaspoon. of honey. So

00:47:19.329 --> 00:47:22.369
12 bees working their whole lifetime can produce

00:47:22.369 --> 00:47:24.929
one teaspoon of honey that you get to enjoy in

00:47:24.929 --> 00:47:28.530
your coffee or your tea. But yet to get through

00:47:28.530 --> 00:47:31.469
an entire year, such as in a place, a cold place,

00:47:31.590 --> 00:47:34.610
especially like Vermont, the bees need 150 to

00:47:34.610 --> 00:47:38.289
200 pounds of honey. And yet the bee itself can

00:47:38.289 --> 00:47:41.320
only gather a twelfth of a teaspoon. that it

00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:44.739
seems so insignificant and yet the honeybee doesn't

00:47:44.739 --> 00:47:48.440
fall for the illusion that what they do is insignificant,

00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:50.460
right? The bee is going to do what it can do

00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:53.760
and it counts on all its other hive mates to

00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.300
do what they can do and together they can make

00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:58.579
miracles happen. Hundreds of pounds of honey

00:47:58.579 --> 00:48:04.489
and so when people look at the challenges that

00:48:04.489 --> 00:48:07.670
we are being faced with today and all so many

00:48:07.670 --> 00:48:10.690
different areas from the the climate and the

00:48:10.690 --> 00:48:14.670
environment and the economic system and our government

00:48:14.670 --> 00:48:18.650
system and health care and energy and education

00:48:18.650 --> 00:48:21.469
and everything often it can feel overwhelming

00:48:21.469 --> 00:48:26.329
but the reality is everything you do can have

00:48:26.329 --> 00:48:29.610
an effect be a power of one person can make a

00:48:29.610 --> 00:48:32.630
difference especially when it's combined with

00:48:33.349 --> 00:48:36.849
millions if not billions of other people's operas.

00:48:37.050 --> 00:48:40.449
And so that gives me a lot of inspiration to

00:48:40.449 --> 00:48:43.030
not give up and to do what I can every day and

00:48:43.030 --> 00:48:46.050
do it now. The time has come for us to all start

00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:48.849
doing what we know needs to be done and stop

00:48:48.849 --> 00:48:50.929
putting things off or thinking someone else is

00:48:50.929 --> 00:48:53.510
going to take care of things. We need to start

00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:57.710
taking action ourselves to create the world we

00:48:57.710 --> 00:49:01.219
want and be the change we want to see. So thank

00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:04.139
you, Eric, for doing what you do. You've just

00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:06.139
brought up so many things that we love about

00:49:06.139 --> 00:49:08.039
honey bees, and that's what this show is all

00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:10.920
about. And thank you very much, Ross. I appreciate

00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:16.440
your time. You're welcome. Take care. Thanks

00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:18.960
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00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.780
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00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:34.900
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00:49:34.900 --> 00:49:37.719
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