Beekeeping's Biggest Challenges - "North American Bee Strategy"

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Today we're kicking off the year with

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Matt Malicka from Honey Bee Health Coalition

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to discuss the North American Bee Strategy. We'll

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learn all about the status of so many things

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related to beekeeping, including the fair market

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of honey, pests, varroa, miticides, pesticides,

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forage, diseases, honey authenticity, beekeeping

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economics. It is a packed episode, but before

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we jump in, think about this. If you're a beekeeper,

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you are one of the cool kids. That's right, beekeeping

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has gone from nerds -ville to totally hip. Just

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listen to some of the celebs who share your passion.

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Rod Stewart and wife Penny Lancaster have eight

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hives on their estate. Ed Sheeran has bees. So

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does Stacy Solomon, Sir David Beckham, Beyoncé,

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King Charles, Queen Camilla, not together of

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course, Princess Kate. Megan Markle, Morgan Freeman,

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Scarlett Johansson, Leonardo DiCaprio, Sting,

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Jennifer Garner, John Bon Jovi, Christie Brinkley,

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Angelina Jolie, Bruce Springsteen, and of course,

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Martha Stewart. So don't be afraid to shout it

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loud and proud, you're a beekeeper and it is

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cool. By the way, if any of you celebs would

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like to be on the show, Send an email to ericatbelovebekeeping

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.com. I won't be holding my breath, but it would

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be fun. I'd like to welcome to the show today,

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we have a really special guest today, Matt Malicka.

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How are you, Matt? I'm doing well. How are you,

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Eric? I'm doing fantastic. It is a beautiful

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day here and you're just across the mountains

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from me in Colorado. We both need snow. It'll

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come. Yeah. Yep. It's a little too warm for this

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time of year, but it'll come. Always does. We're

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going to be talking today about the North American

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Bee Strategy report, which came out recently.

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And man, there's a lot to it. We'll try not to

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get too technical or too... or two in the weeds,

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but give some practical advice that's come from

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all of this. And why don't you just jump in with

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giving us a brief, what the heck is the North

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American Bee Strategy and why do you do it? Sure.

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So I run the Honey Bee Health Coalition. And

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so this is a group that brings together beekeepers

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in agriculture. The beekeeping industry has You

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know, a couple different associations, and more

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when you look at U .S. and Canada. It's kind

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of a hierarchy, right? You have your local clubs,

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you have your state associations, and then you

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have your regional associations like... W -A

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-S -E -A -S and H -A -S. And then you have your

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national associations, American Honey Producers

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Association and the American Beekeeping Federation.

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In Canada, they have a similar kind of structure,

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but clubs, provinces, and the national associations.

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And the national associations are the Canadian

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Beekeeping Federation and the Canadian Honey

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Council. We share a almost all the same problems.

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Bees don't recognize borders. I was approached

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18 months ago or so by the national associations

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of the U .S. and Canada to come up with a strategy

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that they can all lean on together. And so we

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started meeting and started talking about, well,

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what are the most important things? And they

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came up with roughly the three big buckets of

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pests and disease. the honey markets in research.

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You can go to Honey Bee Health Coalition, forward

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slash N -A -B -S, and you can find this document

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that they really spent a lot of time on. It goes

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through varroa management and what's needed in

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varroa. It goes through tropa lay laps and how

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do we keep it out? And if it ever gets here,

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what do we do? It goes through... the honey markets

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and threats from adulteration and importing honey

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that's not really honey and how you test those

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things and how do you how do you prevent beekeepers

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getting under priced by things that may not be

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honey. And then it goes through research and

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how we really put forward more applied research,

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less hypothetical research, research that can

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lead to better bee health outcomes. and give

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guidance to beekeepers on how to have healthier

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hives. And that URL that you mentioned, Matt,

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we'll stick that down on the show notes in case

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anybody wants to pull it up. It's a really beautiful

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PDF with pretty pictures and stuff, 29 pages

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long, but not 29 pages of five point type. It's

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a really good summary of the whole all these.

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Three main areas that you talked about you could

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do a hundred pages on each one of those easily

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So if people want more detail, I don't know.

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Where's a good place to start? When you talk

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about for example adulterated honey, I think

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it really depends on What information they're

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seeking there is resources in the back and references

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So if they if they go there then they want to

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learn more I would say that would be a great

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place to start The Honey Bee Health Coalition,

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we focus on bee health. And we know that bees

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are in and around agriculture all the time. Like

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beekeepers don't have enough land to own where

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they can keep their bees. So there's always going

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to be these interactions with agriculture. And

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so that's really the foundation for where the

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Honey Bee Health Coalition is coming from, which

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is beekeepers and farmers. like really need to

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be partners in this so that we can continue providing

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healthy fruits and vegetables and feed for the

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meats and all of the things that agriculture

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does can't be at the detriment of bees and other

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native pollinators. You can go to the Honey Bee

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Health Coalition and find a lot of information

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on varroa and hive management and protecting

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your bees from pesticides and all the things

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that we do. On our website we don't talk so much

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about honey markets because that's that's more

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of like the health of an industry and We're more

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focused on bee health I think it's a very practical

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hands -on place to go honeybee health coalition

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org Because you've got the Varroa management

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guide and the Varroa management decision tool

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Which I was playing around with this morning

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and I've used it before and it's a really simple

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like Okay, what time of year is it? Where are

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your bees at in the life cycle? Are they dormant?

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Is the population increasing or decreasing? Are

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you okay using chemicals versus Natural techniques

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or cultural techniques? Thank you. Natural chemicals

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too, like your acids and things like that. So

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that Honey Bee Health Coalition website is awesome

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and a really good tool. It's really practical,

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hands -on kind of stuff. That's what I like about

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it for beekeepers of any size. And we'll go back

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and forth talking about that in the North American

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Bee Strategy Report. I have some questions getting

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back to that report, if you don't mind, Matt.

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For those that haven't heard much about tropal

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elapse, give us a non -scientific. What the heck

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is this thing and how do we keep it from invading?

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So tropal elapse, I think, are originally from

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Southeast Asia and like Vietnam and Thailand.

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And they're a pest or a parasite of Apis serrana

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and Apis dorsata. So all of our honeybees are

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Apis mellifera, the European honeybee. This is

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like the giant Asian honeybee. They're about

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a quarter of the size of a Varroa mite and they're

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incredibly fast. So you look at them on a hive

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and they are moving around at, I don't know,

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10 times the speed of a Varroa mite. If they

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hit North American beekeepers, it's going to

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be devastating. They reproduce quickly. They,

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you know, have the same detrimental effects of

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varroa in spreading and disease. They can move

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through different colonies quickly. And so right

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now we do not have them and we're trying to keep

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them out. Incidentally, about this last summer,

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there was a cargo ship off, you know, the coast

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of New Jersey that was traveling into the U .S.

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and they found a swarm. and they destroyed that

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swarm. And apiary inspector came out, took a

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sample of the dead bees, and they found AAA labs

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on this. So the protocols worked, right? The

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captain found the swarm, they called it in, they

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destroyed it, we got samples, but it reminds

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us, geez, that was a close call, right? So just

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like the Varroa infestation or introduction in

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the mid to eighties, Once it gets here, because

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of our migratory colonies, and the number of

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colonies, and also just the size of our colonies,

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it's going to be next to impossible to stop the

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spread of tropal ellipse. So that's the highest

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level of Jesus is an important issue. And we

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can talk to people in Australia that not many

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years ago, Varroa finally showed up and it spread

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through that country so fast that they couldn't

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stop it. They tried and it was just it was just

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too late and they also do a lot of migratory

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beekeeping there like we do here in North America

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which is how it spread so darn fast. I did read

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recently that Canadian beekeepers have asked

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their government to I believe outlaw imports

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of bee colonies from anywhere outside of North

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America. Is that the case? They've asked that

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They not import bees from areas that have tropal

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elaps or countries that are adjacent to those

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countries that have tropal elaps. So I don't

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think they're saying nothing from the whole world,

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but we kind of know where tropal elaps is and

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isn't. Let's not import bees from areas where

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it might be, or we know it is. Do we have any

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in South or Central America? I don't believe

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so. Okay. So we don't have to worry too much

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about if we're bringing bees, say, from Mexico

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up. In the North American Bee Strategy, that's

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in a link to an evolving map because obviously

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it's moving. But yeah, you could take a look

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at that. Thailand, Vietnam, China, India, Georgia,

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Uzbekistan, Russia is an unknown, Ukraine likely

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has it. And then it has not spread further than

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that. Yeah. Then it shows further south, Indonesia,

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New Guinea, Vietnam, places like that. And then

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you mentioned that research is a real big part

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of what we're talking about. With all of this,

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and I assume some of the research even going

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on from here is about these tropemites, because

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if they get here, we need to know what to do

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about it. Is that what you're finding? Yeah,

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there's a ton of research on how Southeast Asian

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beekeepers control Varroa. So you have Auburn

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does a lot of great work with Jeff Williams and

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Sammy Ramsey out of CU Boulder, Colorado. And

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a lot of this is funded through Project APIS

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-M. And they're really just understanding the

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impacts in the control methods that beekeepers

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who have tropal alapse are using. And a big one

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is brood breaks and also formic acid. There are

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so many parts of this report that I know that

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we don't have time to get into all of them. What

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things stand out to you that we really should

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discuss, especially with hobbyists and sideline

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beekeepers? You know, I think the importance

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of controlling Varroa, being a live and let die

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beekeeper is not a management technique. that

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you have your choice on how to manage it, whether

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through synthetic chemicals, natural compounds

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like oxalic acid, cultural techniques like brood

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breaks and requeening. But just thinking that

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this European honeybee will somehow evolve to

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control Varroa without any human intervention

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is not really a management technique. And that's

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one thing that these groups came together on

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is saying, you know, you have to do something.

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If you don't do something, you will infect your

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neighbor's hives. You will infect other hives.

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You're not going to be, you're not a successful

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beekeeper if you do absolutely nothing to manage

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for ROA. I think that's important that they came

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We are in this together. And while beekeepers

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can do a lot, we also need the help of the federal

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government and also the apiary inspectors and

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others. I would say that it's a really good starting

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place and it's also going to be a living document

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as this is an ever -evolving issue. Back to what

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you were saying about management. I'm going to

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use myself as a really bad example of someone

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that was very ignorant when I got into this many

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years ago. I heard about Varroa and I thought,

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well, I'm buying a couple of packages of bees.

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I don't know any other beekeepers around me,

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so mine aren't going to get infected with Varroa.

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I'll be fine not doing anything with them. Like

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the flu. If I'm not around someone with the flu,

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I'm not going to catch it, right? The ignorance

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that I had was that your packages probably have

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Varroa already, almost for sure do, or your nukes.

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If they don't, you have neighbors, even if you

00:16:47.899 --> 00:16:50.580
don't know them, that are within with bees that

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are within flying distance of yours. or there

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are some native colonies within flying distance

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of yours. To think that you can be isolated and

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not get Varroa is just silly and is completely

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not even a thing. So, Varroa is a thing. We do

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have to deal with it and there's a lot of different

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ways to do that. We're not going to tell you

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how to do it. The Honey Bee Health Coalition

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has a great resource as are a whole bunch of

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others. And one more other thing, we are just

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about to release the ninth edition of the Tools

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for Viroa Management Guide. And so this is a

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major update. I think it took a year and a half.

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There's been a lot of new products since 2021

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that have been released and a lot of gaining

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of understanding of how we control Viroa and

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what those treatment thresholds are. Look for

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it in January or so, but we are very excited

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about this ninth edition of The Varroa Guide

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that's going to be coming out soon. That's fantastic

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because there are a number of new treatments.

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We've talked about a few of them here on the

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show. Let's talk about imported honey for a minute.

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I know there's a lot of adulterated honey out

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there. I've even seen the term kicked around,

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honey fraud. And these things just ruin the honey

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market for everybody now the commercial beekeepers

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I feel like most of them are resigned to the

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fact that We're gonna sell our honey on the wholesale

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market We're gonna get two bucks a pound or some

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ridiculously small price like that because there's

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so many Imports, could you talk to that subject

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a little bit? Yeah And I am not the expert on

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this. I will put that forward first and foremost.

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I'm a facilitator and a mediator of this coalition,

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but I know a little bit about it. What I can

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understand is that we can produce about 40 %

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of the demand domestically. So out of the 2 .5

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million hives or so that we have in the US, that

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can produce 40 % of the demand. from Americans.

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And this is not just the honey that you see at

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your farmers markets, at your grocery stores.

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A lot of this is the honey that's in like Honey

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Nut Cheerios or our cookies and various other

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products that you buy at the grocery store. That

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honey that is used in products, it needs to be

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consistent. It needs to be, you know, cost effective.

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There's 60 % of the honey that we just don't

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have the bees to provide for our needs and demands

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within the US. But there's also a tremendous

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financial incentive for companies around the

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world to get honey into our markets that may

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not be honey at all. It could be high -fructose

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corn syrup that was blended with honey. They're

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always playing this game where they're one step

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ahead of our testers and regulators. It's very,

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very complicated. And consumers deserve to know

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whether they're consuming real honey or something

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that's designed to look like and taste like real

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honey. And so I think that's kind of the big

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takeaway of the North American bee strategy is

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we need systems in place to test the honey, to

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understand the floral resources from which it

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came, and to hold people who are selling things

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that's labeled as honey, that's not honey, hold

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their feet to the fire a little bit. Instead

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of getting a shipment in that's mostly high fructose

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corn syrup or whatever it is and sending it back,

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destroy it. Actually have a cost for sending

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something to the U .S. that you label as one

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thing, but it's not that thing. That product

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should be destroyed. It shouldn't be sent back

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to whence it came so that it can be repackaged

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and figured out and sold to someone else. I totally

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agree with all that. The economics of this as

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I look at it if this honey or whatever it is

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might probably is partially honey and let's say

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it it's adulterated with a bunch of high fructose

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corn syrup and So this honey can be produced

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really cheap in some other country Cheaper than

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we can produce honey here that comes into the

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market. It drives the price of honey down Now

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you mentioned the 40 % I believe is how much

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of the honey we can produce here. I believe if

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the economics changed, if we could figure out

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how to keep more of that adulterated cheap cheap

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honey product out of our market, beekeepers here

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could step up and say I want to produce this

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much more honey if I can get this price for it.

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I think we could produce a lot more than 40%.

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But commercial beekeepers have to make their

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money on pollination instead. I don't know how

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that would work. I imagine you're right. You're

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a beekeeper. I'm not. Are we at the carrying

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capacity for how many bees can live and produce

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honey and have a place to live? We won't know

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until the economics change. Yeah. And I'm trying

00:22:15.150 --> 00:22:18.569
to think about it. I don't know if it's... We

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produce 60 % of our needs and import 40 % or

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if we produce 40 % of our needs and import 60.

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I'm a little confused on that. It's one of those

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two. Either way. We can't produce all of our

00:22:30.950 --> 00:22:33.529
demand. I'd love to see us produce all of our

00:22:33.529 --> 00:22:37.039
demand. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. That'd be good. Is

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that ever going to happen? Who knows? And unfortunately,

00:22:40.099 --> 00:22:42.339
there just isn't a way to test all of that honey

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being imported. And this is where it comes back

00:22:45.579 --> 00:22:48.400
to what you're talking about, Matt, with these

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different honey and beekeeping organizations

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working. with federal government entities you

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know that's a nasty word there but there are

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times and places we need to work together and

00:23:01.440 --> 00:23:04.380
that's certainly one of them another one is the

00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:07.660
spread of diseases and things like that so well

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i'm going to get off my soap box now and jump

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down And let's talk a little bit about pesticides.

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Our bees are going to fly farther than we have

00:23:18.529 --> 00:23:22.230
land for. And I know you spend a lot of time

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with the relationship between ag and beekeepers.

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Tell me how that works. How's the relationship?

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Do we love each other? Is it kind of tough? How

00:23:32.690 --> 00:23:35.349
do we make that work better? I think it's getting

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better. So, in our country, when you have to

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register a pesticide, whether that's for a crop

00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.400
pest, like an aphid or something, or whether

00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.099
that's the varroa mite, you have to go abide

00:23:52.099 --> 00:23:56.000
by FIFRA, right? This is the federal law that

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says you will need to do these tests and provide

00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:03.440
us this information and the EPA will evaluate

00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:06.839
what you've put forward and deem if it's safe

00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.180
for the humans and the environment. If it is

00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:15.000
safe for humans and the environment, then we

00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.799
will register it. But you know, you talk to beekeepers

00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:20.599
and they said, but my bees are still dying. And

00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:24.220
you can see that there's acute effects from pesticides.

00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.980
That's when a insecticide or something that's

00:24:27.980 --> 00:24:31.339
been tank mixed is sprayed. using an airplane

00:24:31.339 --> 00:24:34.700
or, you know, some kind of spray rig. And if

00:24:34.700 --> 00:24:36.440
you sprayed insecticide on a bee, it's going

00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:40.039
to die. It's an insect. And then you also have

00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.339
like systemic pesticides, right? So these are

00:24:42.339 --> 00:24:44.339
the things that are put on seed coatings. So

00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:47.539
then beekeepers get exposed or bees get exposed

00:24:47.539 --> 00:24:51.019
to bees. And it really, if it's they can get

00:24:51.019 --> 00:24:53.400
weakened or they can get killed. I talked to

00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.670
a lot of farmers and input costs. are a huge

00:24:57.670 --> 00:25:00.450
part of the equation of them running a successful

00:25:00.450 --> 00:25:03.569
business. So they don't really have an incentive

00:25:03.569 --> 00:25:06.509
to throw things into the field or put things

00:25:06.509 --> 00:25:09.670
down in the field unless there's an issue. And

00:25:09.670 --> 00:25:12.950
they have a lot invested in that field. And so,

00:25:12.970 --> 00:25:15.829
for example, you know, Almond Boar did a big

00:25:15.829 --> 00:25:20.430
evaluation of fungicides in fields. And if a

00:25:20.430 --> 00:25:23.950
farmer gets fungus, because they didn't lay down

00:25:23.950 --> 00:25:26.970
a fungicide, It's too late, so there's a certain

00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:30.309
amount of insurance that they can have by putting

00:25:30.309 --> 00:25:34.349
down a fungicide. It gets complicated, but there

00:25:34.349 --> 00:25:37.950
are ways that you can have healthy crops and

00:25:37.950 --> 00:25:41.390
healthy bees. Things like spraying at night or

00:25:41.390 --> 00:25:44.410
when bees aren't foraging have water sources

00:25:44.410 --> 00:25:49.170
that are free of pesticides. Placing bees kind

00:25:49.170 --> 00:25:53.130
of... upwind of crops. And so the prevailing

00:25:53.130 --> 00:25:56.769
winds don't blow or drift pesticides onto your

00:25:56.769 --> 00:26:00.230
bees using fluency agents, right? So a big thing

00:26:00.230 --> 00:26:03.829
is when these seeds rub against each other and

00:26:03.829 --> 00:26:07.710
when they're planting them and they off gas the

00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:12.650
pesticide seeds, it drifts onto hives. And that

00:26:12.650 --> 00:26:15.079
can really have a negative impact. There are

00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.660
a lot of things that farmers can do and beekeepers

00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:22.500
that can protect bees. Planting forage, that's

00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:25.240
a huge one, just like the human body, right?

00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:30.160
So imagine when COVID hit and you have people

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:35.539
that were healthy and strong and they were more

00:26:35.539 --> 00:26:38.980
apt to be able to withstand or recover from COVID.

00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:42.480
It's the same with bees. If bees are getting

00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.880
good forage and they're nutritious and they've

00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.940
got good water sources, then when they get hit

00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:51.759
by pesticides or varroa, they're going to be

00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.119
stronger and able to survive that. So it's really

00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.440
just human health and bee health have a lot of

00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.220
similarities, but it's certainly a complicated

00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:02.500
topic and one that we delve pretty deeply into

00:27:02.500 --> 00:27:05.019
in the Honeybee Health Coalition. It is complicated.

00:27:05.619 --> 00:27:09.500
Would it be fair for me to put some herbicides

00:27:09.769 --> 00:27:13.009
in this conversation too. Yeah. You've mentioned

00:27:13.009 --> 00:27:16.150
the term pesticide a hundred times, fungicides

00:27:16.150 --> 00:27:19.769
twice. Herbicides can't all be safe, can they?

00:27:20.130 --> 00:27:23.650
Pesticides usually is herbicides, fungicides,

00:27:23.710 --> 00:27:27.589
and insecticides. Herbicides kill whatever plants

00:27:27.589 --> 00:27:29.589
they come in contact with unless they're like

00:27:29.589 --> 00:27:33.230
the plants are designed to withstand them. And

00:27:33.230 --> 00:27:37.670
so when you talk about healthy forage for bees

00:27:37.670 --> 00:27:42.390
and you have a compound that will kill those

00:27:42.390 --> 00:27:45.470
flowers, it's incredibly important that those

00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:49.069
herbicides stay where they are put down. And

00:27:49.069 --> 00:27:53.009
so if you have a lot of flowers that are right

00:27:53.009 --> 00:27:55.950
next to a field and herbicides drift onto them,

00:27:56.130 --> 00:27:58.890
they're going to kill the flowers and they're

00:27:58.890 --> 00:28:01.190
not going to be available for bees to forage

00:28:01.190 --> 00:28:04.650
on. And so certainly it's really important that

00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:07.660
we control herbicides. Also, you talk to these

00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:12.900
experts who are bee pollinator forage planting

00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:16.519
experts. All they do is create habitat. What

00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:22.000
they recommend is that you lay down a year or

00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:26.279
two of herbicides to kill all of the weeds before

00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:31.460
you plant a pollinator habitat. So you look at

00:28:31.460 --> 00:28:33.359
the Bee and Butterfly Habitat Fund, which is

00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:36.359
basically the experts on this, and they have

00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.839
a planting guide. And the biggest thing with

00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.420
forage is that you don't want these weeds coming

00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:46.099
up and out competing your flowers in like years

00:28:46.099 --> 00:28:48.640
two and three. And so they say lay down herbicides.

00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.660
Most certainly an herbicide that doesn't stay

00:28:51.660 --> 00:28:54.680
where it's intended to is going to kill flowers

00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.839
and the bees aren't going to have those flowers

00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.130
to forage on. Can't the chemical also hurt the

00:29:00.130 --> 00:29:04.309
bees if the bees get into it? For example, if

00:29:04.309 --> 00:29:08.069
a neighbor of mine is spraying an herbicide on

00:29:08.069 --> 00:29:13.769
some weeds that they have on a hot day and my

00:29:13.769 --> 00:29:17.910
bees are out in those flowers and those weeds

00:29:17.910 --> 00:29:20.930
and things. and they're picking up a little bit

00:29:20.930 --> 00:29:23.569
of that herbicide, plus some is being off -gassed,

00:29:23.630 --> 00:29:26.009
especially in heat, and then they're bringing

00:29:26.009 --> 00:29:28.609
that stuff back to the hive. Just because it's

00:29:28.609 --> 00:29:30.970
called an herbicide, does that mean it is safe

00:29:30.970 --> 00:29:34.529
for pollinators? You know, I'm not an ecotoxicologist,

00:29:34.549 --> 00:29:38.630
but I would think so, right? So yeah, yeah, like

00:29:38.630 --> 00:29:42.480
they're... bees aren't... haven't evolved to

00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.559
be around herbicides, there are certain, across

00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:49.559
all pesticides, the warning labels on... So the

00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:53.039
pesticide applicator has to read the label. Label

00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.740
is the law. And so if there's a symbol on there

00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:59.859
that says, you know, do not spray when bees are

00:29:59.859 --> 00:30:02.680
present on a lot of these herbicides. That's

00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:06.220
like part of FIFRA. And so that is... It happens

00:30:06.220 --> 00:30:10.460
anyway, Matt. Sorry. No, I hear you. And I think

00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:14.420
Most certainly, like, all pesticides, fungicides,

00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.220
herbicides, insecticides have negative effects

00:30:17.220 --> 00:30:20.380
on bees. That's not to be argued with. That is

00:30:20.380 --> 00:30:23.299
100 % correct. Okay, thank you. And by the way,

00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:26.119
you hit the word of the day. What was it? Eco

00:30:26.119 --> 00:30:30.900
what? Ecotoxicologist. Thank you. Ecotoxicologist.

00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.500
These are all the people. I am not really an

00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:37.259
expert on anything except process and bring people

00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:39.640
together. But there are, you know, there are

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.619
We bring together beekeepers and ecotoxicologists

00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:48.839
and habitat development experts and all of these

00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:50.319
people. And that's what makes up the Honey Bee

00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:52.599
Health Coalition is all of these people sitting

00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:54.279
in a room together saying, what are we going

00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.160
to do about this? It's not easy. You're having

00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.940
multiple, multiple systems that are interacting.

00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:03.500
Well, I appreciate your time today, Matt. It's

00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:07.960
good to know that there are some really Verified

00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:10.400
quality places that we can go to do some of our

00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:13.660
own research because we can't believe everything

00:31:13.660 --> 00:31:17.500
that we see on YouTube Even from other beekeepers

00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:20.400
Sorry, we can believe some of it. We can't believe

00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:22.900
all of it problem is you don't know which have

00:31:22.900 --> 00:31:26.420
to believe but The things that you're working

00:31:26.420 --> 00:31:29.759
on We appreciate so we have some place to go

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do the research. I'm gonna give you the last

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word Leave us with some kind of an overall summary

00:31:35.619 --> 00:31:39.680
takeaway that we as beekeepers can get from all

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this. I think it doesn't have to be a either

00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:48.900
or situation. Like, we can have food and bees.

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We can have agriculture, conventional agriculture,

00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.039
row crop agriculture, specialty crop agriculture,

00:31:55.779 --> 00:31:59.119
and healthy bees. And we're just trying to gain

00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.940
our understanding of how to do that. So I do

00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:05.640
believe that we're all one big agricultural system

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and that beekeepers are as much of a producer

00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:12.359
as a corn grower, an almond grower, an apple

00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:15.500
grower, and we all rely on each other and we

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:18.059
have to work together. And you're helping us

00:32:18.059 --> 00:32:20.779
communicate and work together with what you're

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doing. And the rest of us, let's talk to our

00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:28.210
neighbors. yeah and a good friendly doesn't even

00:32:28.210 --> 00:32:31.410
have to be a debate let's get to be friends and

00:32:31.410 --> 00:32:35.009
let's talk friend over here that has a field

00:32:35.009 --> 00:32:39.509
of roundup ready alfalfa that's okay let's let's

00:32:39.509 --> 00:32:43.150
chat and let's figure out because maybe you spray

00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:45.950
the first monday of every month and so i know

00:32:45.950 --> 00:32:48.789
to just shut my bees up those days or something

00:32:48.789 --> 00:32:52.509
anything like that can help yeah go to honeybeehealthcoalition

00:32:52.509 --> 00:32:55.720
.org it's It's a wealth of knowledge and it's

00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.579
well vetted, great information that involves

00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:01.720
beekeepers from all levels in developing it.

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So we're pretty proud of what we've accomplished,

00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:09.299
but we know there's more to do. Thanks again

00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:12.039
to Matt and all the dedicated people contributing

00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.880
to the Honey Bee Health Coalition. And thanks

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to our presenting sponsor, as always, Man Lake.

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