Beekeeping Hobby Gone Too Far!

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off, flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. and partners in beekeeping, Man Lake.

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Today we're going to have a fun conversation

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with a beekeeper whose hobby has gotten, let's

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just say, out of control. Or as he puts it, a

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hobby gone too far. First, a piece of news from

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the beekeeping world. The headline reads, could

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bees be a model for SETI searches? Ever since

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humans learned that there are countless stars

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in the universe with their own planetary systems,

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we have wondered if intelligent life exists beyond

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Earth. For more than 60 years, scientists have

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engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence,

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also known as SETI. But all these attempts have

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yielded no definitive results. This has led scientists

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to question their methods and the possible indications

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of technological activity that they should be

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looking for. In addition, they've come to consider

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expanding the search to include different forms

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of communication. Now this is where the bees

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come in. One idea that has persistently guided

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SETI research is the notion that there exists

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one universal language. mathematics. Researchers

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at Monash University and the Royal Melbourne

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Institute of Technology University have conducted

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experiments that showed that bees appreciate

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and even participate in mathematics. Over the

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last few years the team explored the ability

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of bees to learn math. As they explain in their

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study, the evolution of bees and humans diverged

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over 600 million years ago, yet both possess

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the capacity for communication, social behavior,

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and math. The divergence in our methods for communicating

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are especially interesting. Whereas humans have

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evolved to use verbal language to communicate,

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bees evolved a physical language, the waggle

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dance. Through the motions of their limbs, bees

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are able to communicate the location of resources

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and other vital information. This includes both

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the distance and direction of resources as well

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as the angle of the sun and even the quality

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of the resources. The experiments involved free

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-flying bees who visited the outdoor lab regularly

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and were rewarded for their participation with

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sugar water. The results were very encouraging

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as the bees demonstrated the ability to link

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symbols with numbers to identify specific Arabic

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and Roman numerals, including the number zero.

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They further showed that they are capable of

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solving problems with quantities and to add and

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subtract, providing a basis for performing more

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abstract mathematics. This work suggests that

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interspecies communication is possible because

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creatures with complex social and or brain structures

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understand mathematics. In fact, scientists who

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study bees have learned to read the waggle dance

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and to understand where their resources are based

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on the dance they're doing. Therefore, it could

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serve as a form of universal communication through

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which information can be shared and an understanding

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can be achieved. Because of cultural barriers,

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coupled with the time and space of communication

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distances, some scientists believe that it's

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important for us to show possible ETs that our

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civilization communicates with multiple other

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species. which may be the very basis of establishing

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peaceful relations. Wow, let that settle in for

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a minute while we jump into our conversation

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with a hobby gone too far. I am so happy to welcome

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our guest today, Song Lee. How are you, Song?

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Excellent, excellent. It was so nice meeting

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you at the expo. I was going to say we met recently

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at the Expo and we had a great conversation,

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enough that we're going to do it again here today.

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And we won't get into all that detail. But but

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it's good to be back with you. Here's the teaser

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I'm going to throw out for everybody. Beekeeping

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hobby gone crazy or gone too far or gone nuts

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or gone something. Whoever thought, you know,

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just beekeeping. You get the bees, next thing

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you squeeze honey, right? No. Nobody told me.

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Nobody warned me. Well, that's what this show

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is all about, which is the love of bees. And

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some people fall in love and they fall really

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in love. And that's where you've gone. Anyway,

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we'll get into all that in a minute. Before we

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do, let's tell people a little bit about like

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where you live and how you got into beekeeping.

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So I live in Cache Valley, Northern California,

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East Bay. When we moved to this property, we

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changed the whole backyard, the raised beds and

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planting fruit trees and so forth. And then my

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wife was complaining that her zucchini was not

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pollinating properly, even though she hand pollinates

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and so forth. So then, you know, maybe get some

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bees. All right. Then a Costco was selling the

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kit, having a smoker, veil, cool thing. You know,

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if we ever thought of wearing the veil on it.

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And then Some people who whom I buy the fruit

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tree from I saw the bees on the backside of the

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property So I think I asked him. Hey, could I

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get some bees? Sure, okay So then next year in

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May we picked up the bee and then he said yeah

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check the bees once a week I don't know what

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I was looking at but we did one thing that is

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that stuck on my mind was after all these years

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that is that bee was very aggressive mean feisty

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maybe he was because I didn't know how to handle

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maybe genetically was feisty but anyway but you

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got stung every time we open it up so I guess

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it is what it is right it goes with the territory

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yeah how many years ago was this this was a nine

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years ago okay and by the way Most of us are

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at a point where it is our spouses are saying

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your hobby is out of control. But for you, your

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wife got you started. Well, the thing is, I had

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no idea it's going to gone this far, this much.

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After we got that, she was very happy. Pollination

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was fantastic. But five months later bees were

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gone. I said, oh, this is a little different.

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So then I started looking into it, taking classes

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and so forth. They ended up UC Davis, the master

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beekeeper program. And that was a game changer,

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learning all the scientific way of doing a beekeeping

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at the classroom setting. And that was apprentice

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level. And after that, it just took off. And

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then I joined the Alameda County Beekeepers Association.

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and going there meeting other beekeepers attending

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meetings and learning from the speakers and then

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we had the swarm list hotline that is people

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call in for the swarm and then you can sign in

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and then we get a notice if we have a participant

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want to get go get the swarm and i started participating

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on it that thing really took off Most hobbyists

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are at a level where they start with a couple

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of hives and maybe get up to four or five. And

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if their hobby's gone a little crazy, maybe they've

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got eight or 10 or 11. Where are you at right

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now? I was about 100. Or more. Now you're understanding

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hobby gone too far. Where do you keep that many

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bees? So first I started, okay, I think I can

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handle five hives. And then the end of a couple

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of years later, it turned into like a 30 highs.

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You know, I think I can manage 30. And then caught

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up to about 50. So much you can have, you know,

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have it on a little small property. So I was

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diversifying the investment, so to say, start

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to spreading out. And I'm a dry cleaner by the

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trade. And I've been doing a dry cleaning business

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for almost about 45 years. So at the time, I

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was thinking maybe some other customer may host

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my bees in their backyard. And I read it. I watched

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it somewhere. They were just hosting idea. That's

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great. So then I asked them, hey, can you host

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some of the bees? And starting from one, two.

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And you don't have to do anything. And whenever

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I harvest honey, you got to have some kind of

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lure, right? You get 20 % of the honey. In other

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words, you get 10 frames out. I give you a fattest

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honey frame to them. Who's going to say no? All

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right, because you don't live on a big farm or

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anything, right? No, no. This is an urban area.

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My property is about 10 ,000 square feet, and

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then it's just not... It's an urban area. There's

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not much space. There's so much you can keep

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the bees in one property. There's probably even

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regulations in your city about how many you can

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have on your property. That would be kind of

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a normal thing. Now you have a full -time business

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that you operate, the dry cleaners. How in the

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world do you have time to check all these bees

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and take care of them? I learn about time management.

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So then place those host bees five to ten minutes

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from the dry cleaner. So lunch hour, I go up

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Monday, Tuesday. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday,

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and then Saturday, and then we can take care

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of my bees and so forth. So it takes one hour,

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two hours every day. I didn't waste my time driving,

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traveling, just right down the street to different

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drug logistically placed so there would be bees

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not that crowded in the area. All right. Now,

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one of the side effects most of us call it a

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benefit. With that many bees, you're going to

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end up with a lot of honey. But you're only a

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hobbyist, okay? In my opinion, that means you're

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not doing this as a business venture. Otherwise,

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you'd be the size of a sideline or working your

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way towards being a commercial beekeeper. Yes.

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What do you do with all this honey? Well, first,

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when I harvest first one, I didn't want to give

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it away at all. This is my treasure. I'm keeping

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it forever. But as time goes by, the volume goes

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up. Two years ago, the maximum that I got was

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about 3 ,000 pounds, which is, that's astronomical

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number as a hobbyist. So I was thinking people

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keep asking, and people find it out in the community.

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Hey, you doing bees? What do they ask next? Do

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you have a honey? So then I start modeling it,

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and then place it on the cleaners, and the people

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picking up dry cleaning. Oh yeah, can I get one

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honey jar? and then start getting the worst are

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getting out and then become a local. How can

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you get any localer than that? So you don't have

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to go to the farmers markets and stuff. You already

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have a retail location. People get to know it.

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I think that's awesome. Yeah, they know the source.

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And then I show my hands and the face like when

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I got stung and then yeah. Do you not wear any

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protective gear? Not most of the time anymore,

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but Even though I get stung, I don't have any

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reaction whatsoever at this point. OK, let's

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go back to one of the first things that you said,

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which was the first bees that you got were mean

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and you got stung a lot. That's a problem that

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some people have. What did you do to solve this

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issue? So I started learning at the school and

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then all different types of bees and so forth.

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The one other thing that I learned is that the

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instead of having a certain specific genetics

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I said locally adapted bees So I figured this

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guy these bees know my locale climate where to

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go all of that and Then on top of that start

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learning about the grafting. I even learned how

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to do artificial insemination but the selection

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of the genetics. Whoever has a feisty defensive

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bees, I learned pinch the queen and then replace

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with my docile queen. And then time goes by her

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daughter is much better. So I have been rearing,

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I've been using the word I said, I mean rearing

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the queens that are docile and gentle. So it's

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been about fifth year that I've been doing. So

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most bees are pretty gentle and calm. So then

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whenever I teach people, I teach how to handle

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with the bare hand. You know, as you know, having

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weight, a thick leather glove become clumsy and

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clinking and squishing bees. So this way you

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have a keyboard that's a treaty. And then also

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bees will cooperate. So it's about the genetics.

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That sounds really easy. It's not for some people

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if they're very beginners, but isn't it amazing

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how When you do that you replace that Queen if

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it's done, right? Within a couple of months the

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whole hive has changed some of them within a

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couple days as far as about two weeks Finding

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out the foragers are the ones stinging the most

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and their venom is the strongest and their hurts

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the most and their last defect lasts longer.

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So after those forages die off and the new ones

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coming up with a mother, gentle mother's pheromone

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and they're pretty calm. So I give you two weeks

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then after that those guys are really accommodating.

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All right let's talk a little bit about your

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bee club because I know that's been a great influence

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on you. Give me an idea of how you've been involved

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and what it's done for you and what you've done

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for them. Of course, finding out in the beginning

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searching for different, finding out schools

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and associations or that. I was surprised that

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in United States, just about any county has a

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beekeepers association. So then sometimes I get

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a call from different parts of the country. First

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thing I recommend, find a local beekeeper and

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join. It may seem early, but right now is a great

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time to order your live bees for 2026 because

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they do sell out. And because Man Lake is offering

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a discount for Be Love podcast listeners. Wait,

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what? I know you're saying live bees, they never

00:16:47.659 --> 00:16:51.299
go on sale. Well, they are now. Click on over

00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:55.019
to Man Lake, order your bees any variety. nukes

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or packages and anything in the beginner essentials

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category and when you check out use the code

00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:04.740
getstartedinbz it's down in the show notes so

00:17:04.740 --> 00:17:07.559
you don't have to remember for a discount on

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everything. So get your orders in early and save.

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So then what I've learned is that we have a common

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sense about the B's and then we can talk about

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these problems and issues and the benefits and

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the ideas. So then got heavily involved as I

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was a vice president for about two years and

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Then this year I was going to take over the club

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Association as a president, but the personal

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issue that I wanted to retire So I can do beekeeping

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for full time. No, just kidding. Just kidding

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You're knocking out that hobby door here. You're

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getting too far So I said, hey, you know, I got

00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.579
some personal it take the dry cleaner to train

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the new owner and so it's gonna take a little

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more time then I will come back and take care

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of it so then what I did suggest was about three

00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:10.160
years ago why don't we have our own club apiary

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so then we can have a demonstration the training

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and exhibition whatever so how I donate my hype

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And then someone else is so forth. So then I

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have been managing the club apiary. As a matter

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of fact, we just had our first year, Hive Dive.

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And then one of the colony was exploding. So

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what I did was I showed a demo res, a demo res

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split. And then we will do follow up. The last

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year's splits, how to take care of the, of course,

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my test. And then one of the colony that I demonstrated

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that people want to what happens if you do not

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take care of the colony and this will happen

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and the step by step follow through all the way

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down to a laying worker situation people can

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see they look at it this is there's a brood okay

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what kind of brood yeah it's a brood no those

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are male drones and you see the pattern here

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kind of random this is called laying worker situation

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and they get to see the, oh. So it's really rewarding

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to share my knowledge and experience with the

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members. You learned fast. Nine years sounds

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like a long time, but in beekeeping, that's kind

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of new as far as the learning curve, because

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we can be learning for 50 years and still have

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so much more to learn. Is it hard to find all

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the beekeeping supplies that you need out in

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your area? Not at all. Not at all. We have a

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local in Berkeley. There's a biofuel oasis. They

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sell Man Lake stuff. They're at their price,

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which is bad. Sometimes in their area, you just

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go down there, just pick it up. And then, but

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me, I love Man Lake. That is only hour and a

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half drive, hour 20 minutes to be exact. It's

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just like a little kid go in a candy store. You

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just go in. just look around and I saw one extract

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they said price of $15 ,000. Okay someday I took

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a picture someday I may have one but who knows.

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Well I know where we met at the expo was at the

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Man Lake booth and you mentioned to one of the

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head people there that you dropped like 10 grand

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the last time you were in their store so they

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see you coming and I'm sure appreciate it very

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very much. think a few minutes ago you said three

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thousand pounds of honey a year that's a ton

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and a half that's a lot of honey so what do you

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do for extraction well i use um well again this

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is totally one main show someone i think you

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asked me do you have any helper says like excuse

00:21:04.690 --> 00:21:08.529
me do i need a helper your wife should be helping

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she started this whole thing Getting into the

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hype, it brings me to a totally different world.

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It's like a meditation. Working with the bees,

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watch how they grow, and then you got to think

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and then prepare for next time. And on top of

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that, you know what it devolves into? Social

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media. One day, I went to an extraction. I do

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a lot of cutouts. And because of your name gets

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out there locally in the community, people call

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it an issue. Not only the honeybees, the yellow

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jackets, wasps, you name it. Anything flying,

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they call me song. This is the situation. What

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can I do? So I went to cut out this house and

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then this owner's daughter kept talking to me.

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Mr. Lee, Mr. Lee, I think you should do TikTok.

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You should. She just... So I said... TikTok?

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No, that's for the kids. No, thank you. No, thank

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you. And she was persistent. And second day after

00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:13.480
I finished, okay, you win. So we sat down and

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she went through the whole process how to go

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about a TikTok. And then 30 minutes later, okay,

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I think I got it. So I came home. This is during

00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:27.089
the COVID. About five years ago, then... you

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know laying around playing with the phone then

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just start posting stuff one two three four five

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the fifth one that i put on this was about 10

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o 'clock in the morning so i went to work and

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no one time i checked it said 10 000 views whoa

00:22:48.730 --> 00:22:53.630
nice and then two o 'clock i checked it 50 000

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views And by the time I get off work, he was

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running about 100 ,000 views. So I went to my

00:23:03.329 --> 00:23:07.309
buddy's house and then, hey, listen, this is

00:23:07.309 --> 00:23:09.410
what's happening. And then he called, he was

00:23:09.410 --> 00:23:11.990
still laughing. He called his kids, come here,

00:23:12.069 --> 00:23:15.950
come here. They looked at it and they go, dad,

00:23:16.349 --> 00:23:20.410
dad, his video is going viral. I said, what do

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you mean viral? Somebody's sick? They were saying

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that his video is going to hit million tomorrow.

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Excuse me? Ah, you've got to be kidding me. So

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I got up six o 'clock, checked it, two million

00:23:37.970 --> 00:23:42.730
views. What was in that video? It was just honey

00:23:42.730 --> 00:23:46.470
on capping with a hot knife. That's it. That's

00:23:46.470 --> 00:23:50.650
it. And then that was not even my video. It was

00:23:50.650 --> 00:23:55.210
my friend's, my Vigo. and he's a commercial he's

00:23:55.210 --> 00:23:57.589
doing a business with taking care of someone's

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bees and when he was on capping i was mesmerized

00:24:01.869 --> 00:24:06.609
the way he's doing it so i videotaped it okay

00:24:06.609 --> 00:24:09.730
and then i asked for permission can i put this

00:24:09.730 --> 00:24:14.650
on yeah go ahead and put it on up to this now

00:24:14.650 --> 00:24:21.240
it hit 160 million Jews Get out of here. All

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right, where do people find you on social media?

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I'll stick it down in the show notes, too. Okay.

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TikTok and Facebook is Sung Lee the B Charmer.

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So S -U -N -G -L -E -E the B Charmer. Yeah, the

00:24:36.700 --> 00:24:39.400
B Charmer. And then there's a funny story on

00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.420
that, too, is I didn't make that name. I did

00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:48.160
now. When I posted stuff in our San Lorenzo community,

00:24:49.179 --> 00:24:53.039
They made the name. The whisper is too common.

00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.539
No, we call you a beach hammer. And then it became

00:24:56.539 --> 00:25:00.079
a beach hammer. I like it. Like a snake charmer.

00:25:01.220 --> 00:25:05.700
Yeah. And then what I learned about ASMR, which

00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:10.059
is satisfying, I guess it was satisfying to people.

00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:14.079
So that similar one hit about 15 million views,

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30 million views. And then now I put out like

00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:23.940
a removing bees, swarms, 1 million views, 100

00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:28.240
,000 views. So I said, okay, so then maybe I

00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:31.640
can challenge on a YouTube channel. So I moved

00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:35.119
on to YouTube and that is challenging. At the

00:25:35.119 --> 00:25:38.920
expo, I was sitting at the Lawrence Edwards session,

00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.400
two of them, and second one was the social media.

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And I was having a hard time with the YouTube

00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:50.009
channel. Here's the thing. TikTok is entertainment.

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YouTube is mostly how -to. My mind is mostly

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satisfying. This is what I did. But YouTube is

00:26:01.190 --> 00:26:03.950
not working. So then I'm sitting at the Lawrence

00:26:03.950 --> 00:26:08.049
Diaz session and he gave me an answer. Problem

00:26:08.049 --> 00:26:12.430
-solving. Just one sentence. Aha! I knew it was

00:26:12.430 --> 00:26:15.250
how -to about problem -solving. That's the word

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I'm... what I need to do. People have a question.

00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:21.009
People have a problem. I need to show what I

00:26:21.009 --> 00:26:25.150
know how to solve that issue. So after the session,

00:26:25.410 --> 00:26:28.190
I went up to Lawrence and said, thank you so

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much. You gave me the answer what I'm looking

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for. And I took a picture with him. I love it.

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Yeah. So you're now the king of all social media.

00:26:38.029 --> 00:26:40.430
I had no idea you were such a big star when we

00:26:40.430 --> 00:26:43.069
were talking the other day. It wasn't meant to

00:26:43.069 --> 00:26:46.210
be. Celebrity all the way. All right. Anyway,

00:26:46.329 --> 00:26:48.150
we'll have a link if people want to look at some

00:26:48.150 --> 00:26:50.150
of that. We'll talk about a whole bunch more,

00:26:50.549 --> 00:26:53.390
but I know you have a fun, wild and crazy beekeeping

00:26:53.390 --> 00:26:57.470
story. Let's jump to that right now. Okay. So

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one of the most, I remember the phenomenon, the

00:27:02.170 --> 00:27:05.930
incident was that a lot of club members keep

00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:10.049
saying that song. have a pickup truck or a van.

00:27:10.230 --> 00:27:12.450
Well especially if you're catching swarms and

00:27:12.450 --> 00:27:16.029
doing cutouts, you're transferring Bs from point

00:27:16.029 --> 00:27:20.609
A to point B. So what do you transfer them in?

00:27:20.970 --> 00:27:29.230
BMW. You mean a B -M -W? Yes, B -M -W. It was

00:27:29.230 --> 00:27:32.950
meant to be. So I you know put in uh sometimes

00:27:32.950 --> 00:27:35.490
the back mostly backs it. My truck is a full

00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:38.019
of gears. So I want to use it in the back seat

00:27:38.019 --> 00:27:40.859
and sometimes I carry about two or three boxes.

00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:44.180
I squish it in about three or four boxes by next

00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:48.200
to the passenger seat, so forth. But sometime,

00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:52.579
one time, I was moving the bees and then I thought

00:27:52.579 --> 00:27:57.160
I sealed it properly. It was not. You know, all

00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:59.339
they need is a quarter of an inch gap, right?

00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.759
Bees start coming up. Probably in the beginning,

00:28:02.779 --> 00:28:05.579
I would have scared. I mean, I would be freaking

00:28:05.579 --> 00:28:09.339
out. But I said, okay, calm down. Okay, we'll

00:28:09.339 --> 00:28:13.180
get there. Okay, so then what happens when you

00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:17.700
stop at the red light or stop sign? People see

00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.039
and they're honking at me Let's make sure people

00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:24.039
understand what they are seeing because I've

00:28:24.039 --> 00:28:27.079
had this happen in a car before The bees come

00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.160
out they head for the windows and they will coat

00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.180
the windows because they want to get out to the

00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:36.809
sunny place So I'm imagining you you come up

00:28:36.809 --> 00:28:40.549
to a stop sign in your beamer and All people

00:28:40.549 --> 00:28:45.609
can see is bees all over the windows For all

00:28:45.609 --> 00:28:47.849
they know the whole inside is completely full

00:28:47.849 --> 00:28:50.730
of bees too. And then what do they do? You mean

00:28:50.730 --> 00:28:54.170
the bees or people? The people they're still

00:28:54.170 --> 00:28:58.750
honking and pointing at me. So like you are you

00:28:58.750 --> 00:29:05.190
crazy? So I said okay yeah just stick well you're

00:29:05.190 --> 00:29:07.349
not gonna roll the windows down the bees are

00:29:07.349 --> 00:29:10.029
gonna fly out no you know i don't want to lose

00:29:10.029 --> 00:29:13.869
them so i say just stay put stay put we get there

00:29:13.869 --> 00:29:16.130
soon well the nice thing that i found in those

00:29:16.130 --> 00:29:18.809
situations is usually the bees aren't aggressive

00:29:18.809 --> 00:29:21.970
i've never been stung that way before they're

00:29:21.970 --> 00:29:24.410
just around the windows and want to get out and

00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:27.410
whatever have you been okay that way oh yeah

00:29:27.410 --> 00:29:29.769
i've been fine just people get landing on me

00:29:29.769 --> 00:29:32.119
and her face and so forth but just just make

00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.920
sure I see it. It doesn't distract my driving,

00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.059
but I usually try to get there as soon as possible.

00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.319
So then I'll open it up and then unload the bees,

00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:46.019
get them in a safe place. Anyways, I don't want

00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:49.359
to go too far. And we totally do not recommend

00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:53.619
this. No. This is not safe. We're not recommending

00:29:53.619 --> 00:29:56.779
this in any way shape or form but hey beekeepers

00:29:56.779 --> 00:29:59.240
I'll bet it's happened to you too. It's happened

00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.099
to all of us it seems like. So I think the key

00:30:03.099 --> 00:30:07.339
is don't freak out. Do not freak out. If you

00:30:07.339 --> 00:30:10.380
think you're gonna freak out gently pull to the

00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:12.940
side of the road and get out of your vehicle

00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:16.259
because if you freak out something bad's gonna

00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:20.019
happen so keep your cool. So for their reason,

00:30:20.259 --> 00:30:23.579
but it doesn't happen all the time. But whenever

00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.279
I transport or someone has taken a make sure

00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.180
I double triple seal, make sure there's no leakage

00:30:32.180 --> 00:30:36.680
of the bees and the lesson learned. I'm just

00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.259
picturing this. I wish you had pictures. I wish

00:30:39.259 --> 00:30:42.720
the people had taken pictures. That'd be good

00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.480
for your next TikTok by the way. Well, actually

00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:49.190
it's on it. Okay. Yeah, so whenever it happens,

00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:52.349
I put the camera out and then, okay, guys, you

00:30:52.349 --> 00:30:55.450
know, stay put. All right. I'm going to go check

00:30:55.450 --> 00:30:59.069
out your TikToks. Before I let you go, I want

00:30:59.069 --> 00:31:02.289
to hear some other advice for hobby beekeepers.

00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:07.309
What have you got? Well, first of all, I would

00:31:07.309 --> 00:31:12.470
recommend to try to get into the hive as many

00:31:12.470 --> 00:31:18.559
as possible, because this is the skill. You may

00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.799
know all the knowledge in your head, but if your

00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.599
hand, your body, coordination, your eyes, if

00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.200
it doesn't develop your skill, you're not going

00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:34.819
to get any better sooner. I figure I check about

00:31:34.819 --> 00:31:39.579
my hubs at least about 2 ,000 times a year. Why

00:31:39.579 --> 00:31:42.940
my skill has gotten better? Because of a number.

00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.779
If you have one or two hubs, you may check about

00:31:45.849 --> 00:31:49.509
20, 30 times a year, that's about it. Even though

00:31:49.509 --> 00:31:52.750
people say it may bother, but this is a learning

00:31:52.750 --> 00:31:57.509
curve. You got to pass that stage to get better.

00:31:58.029 --> 00:32:01.470
And then number two, a lot of recording, but

00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:04.369
also for me was one of the best thing helped

00:32:04.369 --> 00:32:08.450
was the taking a lot of photos and videos. So

00:32:08.450 --> 00:32:11.369
then later I can review something that I missed.

00:32:11.650 --> 00:32:14.349
When I look at it, that's what it was. And then

00:32:14.349 --> 00:32:18.420
I can study. later and then find the solution

00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:22.160
or what is the recognition so that will help.

00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.460
Then then also having your B buddies and the

00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:31.720
mentors and ask questions and then you get least

00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:34.880
intellectually you understand that with that

00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:38.680
base and practice and practice and practice.

00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:41.859
One of the things that I'm not very good at is

00:32:41.859 --> 00:32:44.769
taking notes. is having some kind of a little

00:32:44.769 --> 00:32:48.009
journal out with me in the bee yard and writing

00:32:48.009 --> 00:32:50.369
down you know here's what's going on with this

00:32:50.369 --> 00:32:52.829
hive and here's one I traded this one and etc.

00:32:53.589 --> 00:32:55.609
Do you have some kind of a good system for that

00:32:55.609 --> 00:32:58.069
because that's a lot of hives to keep track of.

00:32:58.509 --> 00:33:01.490
Yeah maybe you can have a phone those are some

00:33:01.490 --> 00:33:04.549
of the gans that I saw they came out. You can

00:33:04.549 --> 00:33:08.619
record your voice. as you're going through, record

00:33:08.619 --> 00:33:11.700
all the frame number one, there's a honey, frame

00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.440
number three, I see the chop root, something,

00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:17.119
or you say, if you can record a chop root, it's

00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.339
fine, but something dead bees in the dried out,

00:33:20.660 --> 00:33:23.660
and I don't know what it is, and so forth. So

00:33:23.660 --> 00:33:26.960
having a recording movie will help. And in the

00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.400
beginning, I had a app, and then every time I

00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.079
have to get on the phone and connect to the internet,

00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:36.140
and then recording, and so forth. But later,

00:33:36.380 --> 00:33:39.700
it's become so many cumbersome so what I did

00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:45.400
was on top of the high box put a big white strip

00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.539
on them and then start writing down date what

00:33:49.539 --> 00:33:54.559
I saw and then on that what I need next time

00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.779
need a super or need food. When you say a strip

00:33:58.779 --> 00:34:01.279
do you mean like a painter's tape or something

00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:04.279
like that? Something like that yes. So I bought

00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.619
it from Uline there's a white two and a half

00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:12.539
inch wide the white tape on it so that I can

00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:15.900
strip it and then lay it on the one side and

00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:19.840
then start writing on with the marker but over

00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.239
time that thing fades so I'm gonna make a trowel

00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.780
which is gonna have a cover for it so it doesn't

00:34:24.780 --> 00:34:29.000
fade out but at the convent at expo someone from

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:34.940
Canada he had a pen marker it doesn't fade so

00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.920
He mentioned that, so I chased him all the way

00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.900
to the hallway, grabbed him, excuse me, and then

00:34:41.900 --> 00:34:45.539
he showed me the pen. I took a picture of it,

00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.980
and then I haven't had the time to order it,

00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:50.980
but I'm gonna have a 2 .0, but there are a lot

00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:55.820
of abbreviations on the tape. Let's say QM, Queen

00:34:55.820 --> 00:35:01.239
Mark, PP, Pollen Patty, SP, Sugar Syrup, SS.

00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:04.519
things like that. It's a lot of abbreviation,

00:35:04.539 --> 00:35:06.780
so you don't have to write the whole thing, just

00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:10.159
abbreviation. But before I go in, I read it,

00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.420
how it was, and then if I don't have what I needed,

00:35:13.619 --> 00:35:16.719
I go back and find the ones that I needed, come

00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.679
back, and then dive in. And then after finish,

00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.340
just jot it down, takes about a minute, then

00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:25.420
we'll take care of that. That is a great tip.

00:35:25.579 --> 00:35:29.829
I love it. The important thing is Whatever works

00:35:29.829 --> 00:35:33.130
for you do that you can get an app. You can have

00:35:33.130 --> 00:35:36.050
a notebook You can do that thing with the tape.

00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:39.829
I think is great I met with some beekeepers in

00:35:39.829 --> 00:35:43.550
Hawaii recently and They had this really cool

00:35:43.550 --> 00:35:46.989
setup They had a half a dozen hives in what looked

00:35:46.989 --> 00:35:51.269
like a big shed or a really small barn That didn't

00:35:51.269 --> 00:35:55.429
have walls on it. So basically it was a big cover

00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.949
to keep the rain off and that kind of thing and

00:35:58.949 --> 00:36:03.670
one wall of this bee house, I'll call it, was

00:36:03.670 --> 00:36:05.909
solid, and they had a great big whiteboard up

00:36:05.909 --> 00:36:08.690
on it. And then they had numbered each of their

00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:12.030
hives, and they just, when they were done with

00:36:12.030 --> 00:36:14.269
the bees that day, they would write notes up

00:36:14.269 --> 00:36:16.849
on this whiteboard, and that worked great for

00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:19.550
them. That doesn't work if you don't have a shelter

00:36:19.550 --> 00:36:22.670
thing like that, but whatever works for you,

00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:25.809
do it, yep, and just keep track. You know the

00:36:25.809 --> 00:36:29.710
pencil? you know carbon dating the pencil phase

00:36:29.710 --> 00:36:34.429
only half by 100 years so I see in the beginning

00:36:34.429 --> 00:36:38.230
I see I use the pencil and then start writing

00:36:38.230 --> 00:36:42.389
all the side of the box and I still have them

00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:46.489
then I read it oh my god this is what I did that's

00:36:46.489 --> 00:36:49.869
funny it just way to find keep track of things

00:36:49.869 --> 00:36:54.110
your your bees and then you keep up with which

00:36:54.110 --> 00:36:58.599
is very important All right, Song Lee, it's been

00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.360
a ton of fun. I can't wait to visit you next

00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.340
time I'm out in Northern California. And get

00:37:05.340 --> 00:37:08.579
some dry cleaner, honey. I hope that's not your

00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:13.780
brand. Well, thank you so much. It's been so

00:37:13.780 --> 00:37:17.059
much fun and pleasure, especially meeting you.

00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:22.579
You know how we met? Yes. We met just from Convention

00:37:22.579 --> 00:37:25.239
Center to the hotel. I didn't want to wait for

00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.019
the car, bus. Two gentlemen was walking. I said

00:37:30.019 --> 00:37:33.260
in the dark back to the hotels at the end of

00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:36.400
one of the days at the expo and we got chatting

00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:39.960
and one thing led to another. Yep here we are.

00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:43.719
Yeah anyway good to see you keep in touch. All

00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:48.940
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