101 Beekeeping Tips With Deb Klughers

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in a world brimming with complexity few creatures

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embody harmony like the honeybee with tireless

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precision she dances from bloom to bloom each

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motion guided by millennia upon millennia of

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instinct each act in service to the whole and

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then There are the beekeepers, watchful stewards

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of this ancient symbiosis. Part agriscientist,

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part poet, they move along their hives with the

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efficiency of mow, levy and curly, tending to

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the bees' needs as best they can comprehend,

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and with the infrequency of a waterfall in the

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Sahara, sometimes running off flapping and flailing

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like a penguin on a hot sidewalk. This is their

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journey. Welcome, welcome to Be Love Beekeeping

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presented by our great friends and partners in

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beekeeping, Man Lake. Today's guest recently

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spoke to almost 2 ,000 beekeepers at the North

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American Honey Bee Expo giving dozens and dozens,

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maybe even a hundred of useful tips for both

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new beekeepers as well as seasoned professionals.

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Her presentation was so useful and so popular

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that I just had to get her on the show. We're

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going to discuss tips for everything from melting

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wax, creaming honey, and catching swarms, to

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mite check, small hive beetle vacuums, and how

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many times you should get stung every year. We

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have so much to cover that I'm going to shut

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up now and just get right to it. I'm so happy

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to welcome Deb Klugers to the show today, or

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do we say Deborah? I'll answer to almost anything

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Hey beekeeper Anyway, hey, thank you We met at

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at the expo and it's great to see you again I

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hope I'm not dragging you away from anything

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But I figure you're in the state of New York

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on Long Island and with this huge cold snap You

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probably can't do much outside anyway, can you?

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Not much. Right after the snow I went outside

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and made sure the entrances were clear and that's

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about that. Take a few pictures and that's our

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beekeeping for the week. We're under about a

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foot of snow and more to come this weekend. I

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promised our listeners all kinds of tips from

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you. So why don't we start with one that you

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just accidentally dropped which is clearing the

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snow out from the front of hives. Tell me why

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and when. Let's just say that the way that I

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manage my bees which is in condensing condensing

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hives You often don't have to clear the snow

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from the front of the hive because the heat generated

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within is Actually going to take care of it The

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bees are warm and the only vent that the bees

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have on the way that I manage them is out the

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front door So typically there's gonna be they're

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gonna take care of it themselves. So I just went

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around and made sure You know, um, that's what

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I do make sure they have food make sure their

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engines are cleared You know, I like to uh, leave

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the problems before they happen. So i'm um Hey

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before we jump into too many more tips give everybody

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an idea of who's deb What kind of beekeeping

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do you do? How long have you been doing it? Well,

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i've been a beekeeper I think for about 15 or

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16 years and when I first got started it was

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just to uh see what this be thing was all about

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i always grew food and i never knew the connection

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i have a degree in environmental studies and

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my master's in marine conservation policy and

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united degree did we ever discuss food systems

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pollination. You know anything of that nature

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so i was i was clueless and once i learned about

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the bees and i started keeping them people started

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asking me for help. And I created a business

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which quickly grew, but I realized I really knew

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nothing. There's so much to know even to this

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day. know that I need to know a lot more as we

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all do with bees, they're just magical and we

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just don't, you know, the biggest experts in

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the world besides the bees themselves don't really

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know as much about the bees as we would like.

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So I learned about the Eastern Apicultural Society

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Master Beekeeping Program, which is a program

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where they test you, they don't train you. So

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you have to come fully prepared to sit for four

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rigorous examinations, a field, an oral, a written

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and a verse. When you have five years to pass,

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I passed them all in three. Still learning, going

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to these conferences, sitting in on demonstrations,

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lectures, reading, everything that I can. It's

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just so fascinating. The more that I learn, the

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better beekeeper I'm becoming. And I like to

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share that knowledge with other people as well.

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So I created this business where I basically

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place hives on residential and organic farms,

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residential estate out here in the Hamptons and

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organic farms. The bees belong to the clients,

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the hives belong to the clients, the honey all

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belongs to the clients, and I'm their beekeeper.

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And that's how it grew from one to, I think I

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have about 40 clients today. And I also have

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a beautiful oceanfront farmland in Sagoponic,

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where I keep my own bees. About 30 colonies,

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30, 50, something like that, for my own hive

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product. We need some pictures. It's glorious.

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I mean, it's a 25 acres with me bees and trees

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and a gorgeous I think about a 40 foot flagpole

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flying that American flag. I just love it there

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Sounds fantastic Let's jump into winter just

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a bit Most of what needed to happen for winter

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needed to happen a few months ago in the fall

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Right now and and people listen to these podcasts

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when they're brand new like this week and in

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the summer and all you know and down the road.

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So just to let people know this is the end of

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January 2026. Great big storm just hit New York

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and a bunch of the East Coast. What is there

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that you can do? You mentioned clearing snow

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from the front of hives. You also mentioned pictures.

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Is that just for fun or is there something you're

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checking with those? Well, the thermal imaging

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camera I basically use for doing cutouts. So

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I use it to find the bees, to locate the bees

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and structures, and I never cut until I find

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the bees and I always find the bees. If I don't

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use my thermal imaging camera, I'll use an endoscopic

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camera, depending on the needs of each job. But

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thermal imaging is just for fun. It's cute. It

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takes all different colors, you know, whether

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it's rainbow or black and white or red and grayscale.

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And so it's just nice to get an eye on the colony

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inside the hive so that you know that it's alive

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from the heat that it's generating. Getting the

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bees ready for winter actually starts. probably

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right about now for next winter. You know, everything

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we do is getting them ready to be able to overwinter

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on the common season. Keeping bees is kind of

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easy when there's a good nectar flow and there's

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not much going on besides the bees gathering

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and you're staying ahead of the swarming and

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making sure that they're good. That's the easy

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part. The hard part is getting them through winter.

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And what's the number one key to that? I think

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having healthy, well -fed, mite -free colonies,

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pretty simple, in addition to the hive in which

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they're kept. So I mentioned earlier the condensing

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hive system that I use, and that's basically,

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you could say, the opposite of the ventilated

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hive, which is really the common way to keep

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bees and screen bottoms and upper entrances and

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screen dinner covers and all this stuff. And

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it actually goes against how bees would live

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in nature. These are cavity dwellers, and they

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live in an airtight, light -tight cavity. I've

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never found a bee colony in a tree with a bunch

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of screens and openings on top. They typically

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look for a dark, dry cavity with one entrance,

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and if there's too much of an entrance, they'll

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propolize it to seal it up. Keeping the bees

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in the condensing hive gives them higher humidity,

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higher CO2, both of which are detrimental to

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mites. So if there's anything I can do to undermine

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the Varroa mite, and hopefully not the soon -to

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-be Triple Aleph mite, but anything that I can

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do to keep those species at bay, including multiple

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treatments. different treatments multiple times

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a year. All these things that I'm doing is of

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course to keep them healthy for the day, but

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to get them through the winter. With a heavy

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mite load or even a heavy viral load going into

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the winter, you're not going to have as robust

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a colony coming out in the spring. As long as

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we're on the mite subject, what's your favorite

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treatment? What's your philosophy? Well, my least

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favorite treatment is oxalate acid vaporization

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because it's dangerous to the beekeeper I think

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it's one of the best treatments When the bees

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are broodless because that treatment does not

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penetrate the brood capping. So it basically

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gets rid of the mites that are on the bees themselves.

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But I guess maybe I guess I would say my favorite

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treatment could be the formic acid because it

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actually penetrates the brood cappings in times

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when the bees are brooding and kills where most

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of the mites are is underneath the brood cappings

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when they have brood. So I'd say formic pro.

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I like Apigard. It's good for warmer temperatures

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in the summertime. I use the Apigard on smaller

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colonies, nukes. I've been doing the impregnated

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strips with the oxalic acid vaporization. But

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it's just, I think the trick is multiple treatments,

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the right treatments at the right time. Timing

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is everything. Beekeeping, if you don't get that

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right, you could mess things up. All right. You

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gave it your presentation about 100 tips in an

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hour or so. I don't know where else we want to

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jump in. Do you have some favorites you want

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to lead off with? Well, I love catching swarms.

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I manage my bees against swarming, so they're

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not my bees that I'm catching. But I use this

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device. It's a basically a water jug or a five

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gallon pail or some kind of a vessel at the end

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of a pool telescoping pool pole. And I can get

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30, 40 feet up. you know, without getting on

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a ladder to catch a swarm out of a tree. The

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people watching are pretty interested in watching

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how it goes, because I typically catch swarms

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dressed like this. I mean, I'm not suited up,

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and that's another thing. You know, I do wear...

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protective gear when needed, but most of the

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times it's not needed. We're in New York. We

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don't have very much, if any, Africanized genetics

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here. Our bees are calm. They're gentle. I even

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do cutouts like that. No gloves. Usually no gear.

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I guess the tip there is to know the beast, you

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know, know what's going on in the environment

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and how their temperament could be. I like that.

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The other tip that stands out to me with the

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thing with the pole, which a lot of us have done,

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I've used one of those painter poles that telescopes

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out and had not thought of a pool one, which

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would be longer and much, much stronger. Absolutely.

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Go to your pole supply store, right? Yep. You

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know, I put a lot of things on Facebook market

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or Facebook different sites, you know local free

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cycles or local By us. It's called bonnock yard

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sale and I just put in anyone have a telescoping

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pool pole or does anyone have a a dorm refrigerator

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which I Did in order to get the little dorm refrigerator

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for that other device that I talked about Let's

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jump to that one. The tip about the dorm refrigerator.

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Yeah, so I was at EAS at a talk given by, oh,

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oh geez, I'm going to forget his name. He had

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shown a device that he made with an old dorm

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refrigerator and a lizard warming. pad, you know,

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that you would put in a lizard tank. And however

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he built it, I went home and I said, huh, I think

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I'm going to try that. But instead of the lizard

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warming pad, I used a 100 watt light bulb and

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a little, I guess a light bulb holder, like a

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little tiny little lamp that would hold the light

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bulb and a non -working dorm refrigerator. But

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you can use a working one as well for other purposes.

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And I'll try to get to that. But basically it

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was Mark Friedel. That's who it was at EAS. he

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showed it to render beeswax. And so I was like,

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huh, this is great. So I set up my device with

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the dorm refrigerator, 100 watt light bulb, and

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a thermostat, like a $30 thermostat that I purchased

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on Amazon. And I set the thermostat at 150 degrees,

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and within a day, you can literally render beeswax.

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I love rendering the beeswax outside in the summertime.

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with my solar wax melter, but that only works

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from about maybe June through August. So in the

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wintertime when we have more time or if it's

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raining or what have you, the device that I made

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is a really good way to render your beeswax,

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but it can also be used as a honey decrystallizing

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cabinet. Just set it at 100. It takes a couple

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of days, and you have to turn the jars a little

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bit. I do that because I have a few clients,

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these bodybuilder guys, that they like to drizzle

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the honey on their yogurt and such. But for the

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most part, I sell my honey as natural sed or

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crystallized honey. But some people really want

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the liquid, and it's easier for me to decrystallize

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it than them. And the other thing that I can

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use it for, if it was a working refrigerator,

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is to make creamed honey, set it at 53 degrees.

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And the last thing is when I make candles, in

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order to not have that severe tunneling or cracking

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that sometimes happens in candle making, by slowly

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cooling the candles down, you can avoid that

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cracking and things of that nature. And basically

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I'll set it to about 80, maybe 85. Then I put

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it down to 80. And then eventually, you know,

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I just leave it shut. You can do that same technique

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with your candles just by putting them in an

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oven and just the warmth. of the candles in the

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sealed oven, or a cooler, or a paper box with

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some styrofoam around it, something like that.

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But just cooling the candle slowly stops that

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cracking and tunneling. And a lot of ovens, if

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you just turn the light on in the oven, it'll

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get that thing at 80 degrees or whatever. Let's

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get back to the creamed honey. You mentioned

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53 degrees. What is your particular method for

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creaming honey? Do you do stirring? What do you

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do? I just basically will use a mixture, about

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10 % of a already creamed honey that I find to

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be superior. Something that's got very little

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grit in the mouth and just a smooth texture.

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And those crystals will be the blueprint, so

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to speak, for the honey that you're attempting

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to cream. They'll kind of replicate those same

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size crystals. So if you have larger crystals,

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you're going to get a larger crystal sized creamed

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honey. And all of the creamed honey is great,

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but when you're entering these shows, They want

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that really smooth smooth feel with no no grid

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or texture so when you if you have a Creamed

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honey that you found that you like save it and

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use that and you mix about 90 % put it in a 53

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is the Optimal temperature 50 to 53. It's time

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and temperature really that gets your honey to

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become natural set or if you're making the creamed

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honey All right with the creamed honey. How often

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are you stirring it? And how many days are you

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leaving it at that temperature? I don't really

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have all that written down, but I just kind of

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mix it up and put it in the jars and I'm done.

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Put it in that 53 and I'm not really stirring

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it any more than that. I don't know if that's

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the proper way to make it. Well, everybody does

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it different and that's why I love to ask. When

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I make like chocolate honey or cinnamon honey

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or something like that. It's really once and

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done. I, I try to optimize my time. Yeah. Some

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people believe that during that 28 days at X

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temperature, they need to stir it twice a day

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or something like that. And you're saying stir

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it once and forget it. And it'll be great. I've

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taken a few ribbons. We can overcomplicate things

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a lot more than we need to. Okay. You also devised

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your very clever person. You devised something

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that I saw a picture of that was like a fan on

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top of a hive. Would you tell me what in the

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world was going on with that? So I have always

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tapped and brush up to four or five thousand

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pounds of honey one frame at a time. Tap and

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brush, tap and brush. And it was quite the. assemblage

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of bees by the end of each each harvest you know

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and and i have i have connie's on about. I'd

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say forty some odd forty somewhat site so it's

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not like i've got a hundred colonies on one property

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cuz that would be crazy. But yeah, so that's

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the way I did it and it just took a lot of time

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and a lot of disruption to the bees, honestly,

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you know, of course you smoke them down a little

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bit. I don't like to use a lot of smoke when

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I'm harvesting my honey because that soot can

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coat the wax. I manage my honey and stuff like

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that as if I'm entering honey shows. And so,

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you know, it's a high quality product that I

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try to achieve. So I'm still not going to, I'm

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not going to. put a lot of smoke into a colony

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I'm trying to drag the bees down that I could

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put in some soot and things of that nature into

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the into the honey. So I had In the past tried,

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I don't know if you've ever seen it, it's like

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an elbow, a white PVC pipe that's an elbow and

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the idea behind that is you face that opening

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into the wind and the wind would come in and

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gently drive the bees down. I tried that. Again,

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it's okay if you have a few colonies or something

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like that, but when you've got a hundred colonies

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to go through during the harvest, time is of

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the essence. So the other thing that I never

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used in the past was a fume board and you know,

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you spray it with a Bee Gone or Bee Quick or

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whatever. That Bee Gone and Bee Quick stuff,

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I use that in my cutouts if I'm at the point

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where I've got some bees hiding down in the rafters

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or something like that. I'm gonna spray a very,

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very little bit to dry them out. You know, that's

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the only way to get them. You can't get 12 feet

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in, but you can spray a little Bee Quick. It

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may seem early, but right now is a great time

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a discount for Be Love podcast listeners. Wait,

00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.039
what? I know you're saying live bees, they never

00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:27.680
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or packages and anything in the beginner essentials

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category and when you check out use the code

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on everything so get your orders in early and

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save But what I made was what I would call a

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power fume board and I had a Commercial beekeeper

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friend just say mentioned that the big guys I

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call them the big guys the big boys They they

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use some of them might use like some sort of

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a fan and he kind of explained it But I went

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huh, you know, let me again, you know You hear

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things and all of us beekeepers do it and then

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we kind of make it our own with what we have

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around the house So what I had around the house

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with these two pieces of plywood with the holes

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in it that I had already used for those PVC elbow

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type devices. So I already had those cut and

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then I had shims and I decided let me get this

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fan. I got two $10 fans on Amazon because I made

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two of these devices. In between the shim and

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I used a a comb honey super so it was a little

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bit shorter and then a shim and in between that

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I put some burlap and on that burlap I sprayed

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the be gone or be quick or whatever and then

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on top of that is the fan battery operated little

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small 3c batteries not a big deal, and I would

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put that Device on top of the hive and just two

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or three minutes that smell drove the bees down

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and out and the reason why I didn't use the customary

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fume board is because a you need heat and sunlight

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and time and again time is is a The essence when

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you've got all these colonies to harvest from

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but also sometimes there is no Sun It's not that

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hot out or some of my my hives could be in shade

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so that the customary fume board wasn't gonna

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work So using this fan on top, it gently just

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blew this Be Gone or Be Quick down, and the bees

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would just come out the bottom, a lot of them,

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and all be right there. And any stragglers left

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up in the honey supers, I used a blower that

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was battery operated that used the same batteries

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that my Instavep, my oxalic acid vaporizer blower.

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So like a leaf blower? Exactly and it cut my

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harvest time down. I'd say 75 to 80 percent the

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time I was usually what took me a two full two

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weeks because again I'm going from site to site

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it's not all on one property is a lot of driving

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a lot of traffic out here in the Hamptons and

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It was literally we were done in like five days

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So it was tremendous amount of time saving and

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it would be great if you have one hive or if

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you've got 100 easy to make and expensive make

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it your own with what you've got around the house,

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and these items are all on my Instagram and stuff

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like that. And all inexpensive, especially when

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you're getting them off Marketplace or something.

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I like the leaf blower thing. You mentioned the

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tap and brush, and I like to do the tap and blow.

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So I can take a frame out. I don't use queen

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excluders, so I'm quickly looking, make sure

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there's no queen. and shake the bees off, hand

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it to somebody else who's got the electric leaf

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blower done, stick it in something to take to

00:22:52.859 --> 00:22:55.700
the honey house. So I felt it was so much less

00:22:55.700 --> 00:22:57.680
disruptive to the bees because again, with the

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tap and brush, there are bees everywhere. I mean,

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it just is what it was. And now they're they're

00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.980
all down at the bottom. Sometimes they're they're

00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:08.819
coming at the front and it looks kind of cool

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It kind of looks like a swarm when they're all

00:23:10.660 --> 00:23:13.579
funneling out But it's not it's just that they're

00:23:13.579 --> 00:23:15.220
just trying to get away from the smell which

00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:17.640
doesn't harm them and it doesn't impact the honey

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So cool. Okay. Next thing I had in my notes was

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feeders My favorite feeder would have to be the

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baggie feeder. It's got so much merit to it.

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The first is that there's no drowning. So I'll

00:23:29.660 --> 00:23:32.319
just explain what it is. You take a shim, maybe

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a one inch shim or so or two inch shim or whatever

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you've got really, and a baggie. I buy baggies

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that are, I think they're about 18 by 15 inches.

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It holds a bit over a gallon. You could use regular

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baggies that you have in your house, but here's

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a tip. Don't overfill it because what happens

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is you're going to put holes or slits on the

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top of the baggie and if it's over full that

00:23:55.329 --> 00:23:58.170
syrup can leak out so you know just make it so

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it's not over full and then I usually put a hundred

00:24:01.150 --> 00:24:03.589
holes on top some people and I count I'm like

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with my two little nails and some people do a

00:24:06.170 --> 00:24:07.950
slit whatever I find the slits the bees could

00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:10.849
get into it more than just a bunch of holes so

00:24:10.849 --> 00:24:14.730
you have no drowning the syrup stays warm it's

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right on top of the hive. So the heat from the

00:24:18.829 --> 00:24:21.250
colony is warming the syrup. And that's especially

00:24:21.250 --> 00:24:23.890
important in the springtime, early spring, or

00:24:23.890 --> 00:24:26.849
even the fall, that the bees are not going to

00:24:26.849 --> 00:24:29.650
take cold syrup. So if you put a syrup, my second

00:24:29.650 --> 00:24:32.569
favorite syrup besides the division board feeders,

00:24:32.609 --> 00:24:35.170
which are inside the hive, which could also help

00:24:35.170 --> 00:24:37.609
the syrups to stay warm, but the top feeder with

00:24:37.609 --> 00:24:40.210
the wood with the floats, I just love that feeder

00:24:40.210 --> 00:24:43.779
too. But that Syrup is going to get cold and

00:24:43.779 --> 00:24:45.480
the bees aren't going to go up and take cold

00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:48.039
syrup down So with the baggie feeder, yes, we

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have baggie waste But what I do is in the fall

00:24:51.819 --> 00:24:54.380
when I'm using my baggie feeders and I'm done

00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:56.779
with the baggie feeding I leave that baggie on

00:24:56.779 --> 00:24:59.720
top and on top of that. I'll put my sugar slurry

00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:03.819
my Have a life fondant my fondant my sugar cakes

00:25:03.819 --> 00:25:06.019
whatever goes right on top of that and I'll do

00:25:06.019 --> 00:25:07.680
a slit right in the middle the bees could get

00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:10.140
up from the edges because I only made it like

00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:13.559
18 by 15 and the baggy and the bees absolutely

00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.799
love it. Again, it lands to this condensing hive

00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.960
system where all the warm moist air stays right

00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.299
inside the hive and they can come up and get

00:25:23.299 --> 00:25:26.000
their feed from on top. Brilliant. So when you

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say baggy, are you talking about just a regular

00:25:28.059 --> 00:25:30.880
Ziploc bag that's a gallon size or a two gallon

00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.660
size? Yeah, well for nukes, I'll use a gallon

00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:37.829
size, something like that. For my full size colonies,

00:25:38.029 --> 00:25:41.650
I buy baggies on, you can go search by the size

00:25:41.650 --> 00:25:45.390
and mine are 18 by 15 inches. And so they come

00:25:45.390 --> 00:25:48.029
almost all the way to the edges and you can get

00:25:48.029 --> 00:25:51.690
about a gallon and a quarter in each one. For

00:25:51.690 --> 00:25:56.690
you new beekeepers, exactly 100 little holes

00:25:56.690 --> 00:26:01.730
is the way to do it. One more or one less, kill

00:26:01.730 --> 00:26:06.569
the bees. Yeah. Somebody had written Do you have

00:26:06.569 --> 00:26:09.369
a device for that? And I went, huh, well, no,

00:26:09.390 --> 00:26:11.329
but I'm going to make one. So I took a piece

00:26:11.329 --> 00:26:14.029
of my, um, my styrofoam, but I use it on the

00:26:14.029 --> 00:26:16.890
tops and I cut it and I shove the two nails through

00:26:16.890 --> 00:26:19.049
it and taped it up. Now I could do it with one

00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:20.990
hand and I could film it with the other one so

00:26:20.990 --> 00:26:23.529
I can do it instead of two hands. I love that.

00:26:23.609 --> 00:26:26.529
I just would never count. I would just go, okay,

00:26:26.769 --> 00:26:30.450
done. We were kidding. Newbie keepers out there.

00:26:30.630 --> 00:26:33.519
Okay. No, it's actually two, a hundred. And you

00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.240
have to do exactly what I say. And I'm just kidding,

00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:39.839
because if we have five beekeepers telling us

00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:42.599
10 different things, it doesn't mean that they're

00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.920
wrong. It just means that that's how they do

00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.279
it at that time for their bees in that environment.

00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:51.559
So, you know, that's why we like to take a lot

00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:54.019
of information from lots of beekeepers and kind

00:26:54.019 --> 00:26:56.940
of make it your own what works for you. All right.

00:26:57.019 --> 00:27:00.640
Any great tips or ideas for hive stands? Or was

00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.500
this your wild and crazy story? You can do both.

00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.440
I don't know about a wild and crazy story. It

00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.880
is kind of wild and crazy. It's kind of sad actually

00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.279
I was short on a couple of hive stands and I

00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.660
was like, oh, let me go get a few cinder blocks.

00:27:16.700 --> 00:27:19.579
So I went to my local lumber, it's not a lumber

00:27:19.579 --> 00:27:21.500
yard, whoever sells sand and stone, that kind

00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:24.420
of place. And I bought four cinder blocks and

00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:26.779
I kind of thought they smelled funky, but whatever.

00:27:26.940 --> 00:27:29.740
I put them in my car, brought them out to Montauk,

00:27:29.779 --> 00:27:32.799
New York and put them down, put the bottom board

00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.619
on. Still got this weird feeling. Oh, these things

00:27:35.619 --> 00:27:38.079
kind of smell weird, but whatever. And I put

00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.730
the... Packages in the hives and I felt weird

00:27:41.730 --> 00:27:43.650
so I go back the next day and they were all dead

00:27:43.650 --> 00:27:46.589
and it was like there was something emanating

00:27:46.589 --> 00:27:48.269
from these cinder blocks cinder blocks are made

00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:52.190
from coal ash and and basically toxins and whatever

00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:56.369
I think that Older cinder box would be okay because

00:27:56.369 --> 00:27:59.150
they have time over the years for that. Whatever

00:27:59.150 --> 00:28:04.569
is in them to Seep out the off -gassing Yeah,

00:28:04.670 --> 00:28:06.990
off -gassing exactly. So I would say also not

00:28:06.990 --> 00:28:09.410
to use them in your home gardens. People are

00:28:09.410 --> 00:28:11.289
building raised garden beds and things like that.

00:28:11.309 --> 00:28:13.950
Do not go get brand new cinder blocks. You just

00:28:13.950 --> 00:28:16.589
don't know what's in them. And the other toxic

00:28:16.589 --> 00:28:20.549
thing is pallets. Some pallets are heat treated

00:28:20.549 --> 00:28:22.789
and others are chemically treated and they're

00:28:22.789 --> 00:28:25.529
treated against insects and things of that nature.

00:28:25.569 --> 00:28:28.829
So if you're putting your bees on a pesticide

00:28:28.829 --> 00:28:32.009
impregnated wooden platform, that might not be

00:28:32.009 --> 00:28:34.930
the best for the bees. So just check the pallets

00:28:34.930 --> 00:28:37.190
to make sure that they're heat treated. What

00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:40.430
did you do with those bad cinder blocks? I actually

00:28:40.430 --> 00:28:43.079
brought them back and They were only like four

00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.319
or five dollars, first of all, you know, so I

00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.400
was like, oh, this is great and affordable, whatever,

00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.799
which killed two colonies. But they were like,

00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:52.740
no refunds. I said, I understand. I don't want

00:28:52.740 --> 00:28:55.119
a refund. I just don't want them. So I just brought

00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.279
them back to the store. Yeah, just take them.

00:28:57.339 --> 00:28:59.920
I don't care what you do with them. I had down

00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:03.539
that you had an interesting story about starting

00:29:03.539 --> 00:29:08.079
a smoker. Oh, the one that fell over. Have you

00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.880
had problems with smokers in the past? No, I

00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:17.200
don't anymore. I was in a on a property and it

00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.950
was all pine needles and I didn't Need the smoker,

00:29:21.950 --> 00:29:24.329
but it was already lit, so I put it down on top

00:29:24.329 --> 00:29:26.809
of something I forget what it was but in my mind

00:29:26.809 --> 00:29:28.710
I was like oh boy that would stink if it fell

00:29:28.710 --> 00:29:31.349
over wouldn't it when I came back it had fallen

00:29:31.349 --> 00:29:34.190
over and it was a small little fire going which

00:29:34.190 --> 00:29:37.690
I stomped out But I guess the tip here is to

00:29:37.690 --> 00:29:42.049
always place your smoker on a solid non flammable

00:29:42.049 --> 00:29:46.289
surface it seems pretty simple I've melted a

00:29:46.289 --> 00:29:49.349
few because I use the insulation on top of my

00:29:49.349 --> 00:29:51.809
hives underneath the inner cover underneath the

00:29:51.809 --> 00:29:53.849
outer cover. In between the inner and outer cover,

00:29:54.049 --> 00:29:57.089
I put insulation, but also on top. I'll put it.

00:29:57.329 --> 00:30:00.430
And occasionally I've placed my smoker on top

00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:04.109
of that and it makes a nice round melted spot.

00:30:04.650 --> 00:30:08.890
Well, they're hot. Yeah, very hot. You know,

00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:11.549
and I do place my smokers because I'm going from

00:30:11.549 --> 00:30:14.509
site to site. So traveling in my car, I put them

00:30:14.509 --> 00:30:18.630
in an ammunition metal ammo box and it air tight,

00:30:19.029 --> 00:30:23.480
heat tight. I also put my oxalate acid vaporizers

00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:26.920
in there to keep them warm between sites because

00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.359
if you're using the battery operated one, it

00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.339
says that the battery will give about I think

00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:35.220
30 treatments, 20 to 34, something like that,

00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:37.900
treatments per battery, the certain size. I was

00:30:37.900 --> 00:30:39.599
getting eight or nine. I was like, what's going

00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.380
on here? Well, I was going from site to site

00:30:42.380 --> 00:30:45.039
and it takes a lot of energy for the battery

00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:49.339
to reheat the equipment back up to the. Proper

00:30:49.339 --> 00:30:53.079
temperature, so I put it in a hot box so to speak

00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:55.759
in between It extended the battery life greatly

00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.519
by doing that brilliant tips. Okay ammunition

00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.460
boxes yeah, or a kitty litter thing, but it's

00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:05.640
plastic but Some of us may have them lying around

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.599
the house and they work pretty good as well.

00:31:08.019 --> 00:31:12.640
How many cats do you have? I only have two And

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.240
they love the bees they absolutely love the bees

00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.960
they'll sit and just watch them and you know

00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.460
when I do some open feeding they just sit there

00:31:21.460 --> 00:31:24.420
and they love the bees it's really interesting.

00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:28.599
The majority of people have one way of doing

00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.839
a mite check. Okay, we've got an alcohol wash,

00:31:32.380 --> 00:31:35.519
we've got a sugar shake, which is a similar kind

00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.519
of thing. But of course Deb does something different.

00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.380
Okay, here's tip number 190. How do you check

00:31:41.380 --> 00:31:44.160
for mites? Yeah, so as I mentioned earlier, when

00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.779
the bees are brooding, I'd say 50 to 90 percent

00:31:47.779 --> 00:31:49.779
of the mites are underneath the brood cappings.

00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:53.940
And let's just say that colony has 50 ,000 bees

00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:58.420
in it. and you're taking a sample of 300 bees

00:31:58.420 --> 00:32:02.799
from a colony of 50 ,000 and you're hoping that

00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:04.920
that sample that you're going to later do an

00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.380
alcohol wash on, you're hoping that that sample

00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:10.859
is a proper representation of the mite load within

00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:15.440
the hive. And I kind of disagree because if most

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:17.259
of the mites are underneath the brood cappings

00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:20.480
and you're taking a sample of 300 bees from a

00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.099
frame, first of all, how do you know that that

00:32:24.009 --> 00:32:28.059
sample that you've gathered. is a proper representation

00:32:28.059 --> 00:32:31.359
of the hive in general. There's a lot of room

00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:33.819
for user error, especially newbie keepers, if

00:32:33.819 --> 00:32:35.900
they don't know where to take the sample from

00:32:35.900 --> 00:32:40.599
or what have you. So what I do whenever I see

00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.240
drone brood within my hives, I'm opening that

00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.299
up and looking for mites. Now we've learned that

00:32:47.299 --> 00:32:50.200
the mites seem to gravitate toward the drone

00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.259
brood more so than worker brood because they

00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:55.240
just have a few extra days to reproduce. So they're

00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.430
going to reproduce. a mite or two more so I just

00:32:58.430 --> 00:33:01.779
you can either just break it open And observe,

00:33:02.019 --> 00:33:06.519
you can uncap. I like to uncap 100 drone brood.

00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.259
Exactly a hundred. It's because it's easy to

00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:13.140
do the math, but if I see one mite, I'm done.

00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:16.299
I'm treating and I treat all my colonies. I don't

00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:18.920
treat that one on that property. Everyone is

00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.559
getting treated. Everyone, every colony in North

00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.059
America has or will have mites. It's just how

00:33:26.059 --> 00:33:29.079
it is. I don't believe that there is a treatment

00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:34.329
free. ability. That's just my belief. Maybe there's

00:33:34.329 --> 00:33:37.049
some people that are successful at it, but where

00:33:37.049 --> 00:33:39.869
I live, there's a lot of beekeepers and a lot

00:33:39.869 --> 00:33:42.150
of new beekeepers that don't want to treat. And

00:33:42.150 --> 00:33:44.109
I was one of them. I was like, Oh, I'm going

00:33:44.109 --> 00:33:46.210
to do this natural. I don't need to do that.

00:33:46.269 --> 00:33:49.430
My bees are good. They all died. They all died.

00:33:49.430 --> 00:33:52.009
And I literally saw mites running around. I was

00:33:52.009 --> 00:33:54.950
like, Oh my gosh. Like, and if you see mites,

00:33:55.029 --> 00:33:56.869
the colonies are already dead there. There's

00:33:56.869 --> 00:33:59.549
probably, if you see like mites everywhere, you

00:33:59.549 --> 00:34:02.240
just go order yourself some more bees or just

00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.279
learn learn how to better treat them. But by

00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:10.139
doing the drone brood inspection, you are looking

00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:12.300
right where the mites where you would expect

00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:17.019
them to be. And then I treat and also I'll remove

00:34:17.019 --> 00:34:19.139
that drone brood. I do a drone brood culling

00:34:19.139 --> 00:34:21.380
as well as a part of an integrated pest management

00:34:21.380 --> 00:34:25.039
because if the mites are under in those drone

00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.880
brood under the cappings, just remove them and

00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:32.119
you're you're being able to get a bunch of mites

00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:33.800
out of the hive. The other problem also with

00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.739
doing the alcohol wash method by taking 300 bees,

00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:40.880
if your bees had swarmed, you're losing a good

00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:44.019
portion of those mites as well. So you might

00:34:44.019 --> 00:34:47.099
have a false negative. You also might get a false

00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:49.960
positive in the fall when there's not a lot of...

00:34:50.190 --> 00:34:53.929
not a false positive, but a higher than normal

00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:57.050
number because in the fold, there's not a lot

00:34:57.050 --> 00:34:59.449
of brood going on. So the mites are more phoretic,

00:34:59.469 --> 00:35:02.090
more on the bees. You might get a much larger

00:35:02.090 --> 00:35:04.570
number than really what's your proper representation

00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:07.429
within the hive. I need to throw out a quick

00:35:07.429 --> 00:35:10.010
public service announcement. And that is that

00:35:10.010 --> 00:35:14.909
we do need drones. So I don't advise taking out

00:35:14.909 --> 00:35:17.110
all of the drone brood in all of your hives.

00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:20.050
No, I don't take it all out. I'll just I actually

00:35:20.050 --> 00:35:23.809
make the bees make more so that I can take it

00:35:23.809 --> 00:35:27.250
out. So I could put an empty wooden frame with

00:35:27.250 --> 00:35:31.190
no foundation in it, say in spot three. So three

00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:34.550
in from the edges. and the bees will draw that

00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:39.550
out typically with drone. brood size comb and

00:35:39.550 --> 00:35:42.929
then the queen will lay and so i'm actually manipulating

00:35:42.929 --> 00:35:45.869
them to make more drone brood so i can take that

00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:49.130
out i think the colonies know exactly what they're

00:35:49.130 --> 00:35:51.550
doing and when you start seeing drone brood it's

00:35:51.550 --> 00:35:54.050
a good sign that everything is good in that in

00:35:54.050 --> 00:35:56.250
that colony that they're actually making drones

00:35:56.250 --> 00:35:58.650
that they think things are good so of course

00:35:58.650 --> 00:36:02.130
we need them i overdo it i make them make more

00:36:03.329 --> 00:36:05.590
And another tip that you could do if you had

00:36:05.590 --> 00:36:08.449
deep sized boxes, you could put in that medium

00:36:08.449 --> 00:36:11.630
frame. It could also have foundation in it. It

00:36:11.630 --> 00:36:14.510
could have worker foundation in it, but the bees

00:36:14.510 --> 00:36:17.190
will typically draw it down. If you put that

00:36:17.190 --> 00:36:20.690
medium in a deep box, they'll draw it down underneath

00:36:20.690 --> 00:36:23.269
that medium frame and it's typically going to

00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:28.190
be drawn, brewed, and once they cap it, you can

00:36:28.190 --> 00:36:29.889
cut that right off, feed it to your chickens.

00:36:30.750 --> 00:36:32.809
I'm just going to throw out there because we're

00:36:32.809 --> 00:36:34.650
going to be running out of time here real quick.

00:36:35.070 --> 00:36:38.510
Deb has so many more tips on her social media

00:36:38.510 --> 00:36:40.409
and website, and I'll put a link to that down

00:36:40.409 --> 00:36:42.550
in the show notes so that people can find you,

00:36:42.710 --> 00:36:45.210
Deb. Thank you. And I want to shift gears for

00:36:45.210 --> 00:36:47.730
just a minute and talk a little bit about BeeVenom

00:36:47.730 --> 00:36:50.889
because you mentioned something to me the other

00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:55.150
day. About the fact that you think beekeepers

00:36:55.150 --> 00:36:59.429
need to get X amount of stings every year. Would

00:36:59.429 --> 00:37:02.650
you please explain that and the whys behind it?

00:37:02.650 --> 00:37:04.510
One of the talks that I gave is called get your

00:37:04.510 --> 00:37:08.269
sting on and The it's not really my thought it's

00:37:08.269 --> 00:37:11.250
just from doing research that I came across some

00:37:11.250 --> 00:37:14.829
research that showed that the average person

00:37:14.829 --> 00:37:19.179
their incidence of having an anaphylactic allergic

00:37:19.179 --> 00:37:21.880
reaction to bee venom is about 1 to 3 percent

00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.880
in the general population. But the study claimed

00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.960
that I think it was between 35 and 48 percent.

00:37:29.130 --> 00:37:33.449
of beekeepers and their families and pets actually

00:37:33.449 --> 00:37:37.110
can develop allergies to be venom whereas they

00:37:37.110 --> 00:37:39.610
weren't born with it but it develops over time

00:37:39.610 --> 00:37:42.070
and the reason why is because they're being all

00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:44.570
they're all suited up and gloves and duct tape

00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:46.889
and everything is they don't want to get stung.

00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:51.269
but they're getting low dose venom by squishing

00:37:51.269 --> 00:37:54.750
bees or breathing it in. And your body is reacting

00:37:54.750 --> 00:37:58.849
to that exposure to a toxin in a small amount.

00:37:59.170 --> 00:38:02.309
But over time, when your body finally gets that

00:38:02.309 --> 00:38:07.860
one full dose of venom, and your body has already

00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:10.980
signaled that as being a very dangerous thing,

00:38:11.199 --> 00:38:14.079
you go into an anaphylactic reaction. That also

00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.440
can happen to your pets, your kids, your wife,

00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.059
husband, because if you come in and you've got

00:38:19.059 --> 00:38:20.920
all this venom, and maybe you're getting stung

00:38:20.920 --> 00:38:24.000
all the time and it's fine, and you have no issues,

00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.059
but if you're giving your family and pets this

00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:30.139
constant low dose, their body is also signaling

00:38:30.139 --> 00:38:32.559
as this is danger, danger, and it's taking care

00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.539
of these low doses, but once it gets the full

00:38:34.539 --> 00:38:39.420
dose, it goes into overdrive. So this study claimed

00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:43.159
that under 25 stings a year is you're asking

00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.840
for trouble as a beekeeper and then over 200

00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.500
and over is a prophylactic dose to perhaps not

00:38:50.500 --> 00:38:54.219
develop an allergy. I've got three or four clients

00:38:54.219 --> 00:38:57.239
that started out as beekeepers but were tied

00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.539
up, duct taped and you know they did not ever

00:39:00.539 --> 00:39:03.300
want to get stung and they ended up when they

00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:06.920
did get stung going into an anaphylaxis emergency

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.579
room type of issue and seeing allergists now

00:39:10.579 --> 00:39:14.420
to try to reverse the damage. So, I mean, it's

00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:18.199
part of the job. B -venom is medicine. It cures

00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.360
all kinds of different diseases and disorders,

00:39:21.739 --> 00:39:27.099
anything from cosmetic to arthritis to MS, Lyme

00:39:27.099 --> 00:39:30.199
disease, different types of cancers. I mean,

00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:34.900
so it's medicine. We did a whole series on Apitherapy

00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:38.019
and all of the useful products from The Hive,

00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:42.380
in addition to Bee Venom, back at the end of

00:39:42.380 --> 00:39:46.199
Season 2. And it's a three -part series. It's

00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.139
well worth listening to. Wonderful. One of the,

00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.739
if not the leading authority on Apitherapy in

00:39:53.739 --> 00:39:57.920
the world, Dr. Ilver in Romania was the guest

00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.219
for that three -part series. So I would recommend

00:40:00.219 --> 00:40:04.349
that. 200 stings just sounds like really a lot.

00:40:04.429 --> 00:40:08.170
It's not. I get that in a day. When you said

00:40:08.170 --> 00:40:11.110
25, I was like, oh, that's a pretty good number.

00:40:11.829 --> 00:40:14.389
One thing that has concerned me in the past on

00:40:14.389 --> 00:40:18.590
this topic is I get stings in the spring, summer

00:40:18.590 --> 00:40:21.010
and fall. And in the winter, I'm not around the

00:40:21.010 --> 00:40:24.449
bees at all. I don't have any that I use for

00:40:24.449 --> 00:40:26.750
any kind of apotherapy or anything in the winter.

00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.840
Am I a little bit more vulnerable or susceptible

00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.239
in the spring when I get stung again? Because

00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.920
I haven't for a while. I worry about that. Yeah,

00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.039
absolutely. And that that was talked about in

00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.260
these these studies as well. So I do order bees

00:40:41.260 --> 00:40:44.739
in the wintertime or on a warm day. I can go

00:40:44.739 --> 00:40:47.519
out there and take a willing or a non willing

00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:51.360
participant to my therapy pursuits. But there's

00:40:51.360 --> 00:40:54.699
Ferris and Allen's Ferris is in, I think, South

00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:57.760
Carolina. Allen's bees, I think, is in California.

00:40:58.179 --> 00:41:01.380
So there are places that you can purchase a little

00:41:01.380 --> 00:41:04.340
box of bees. It could be 30, 40 dollars. You

00:41:04.340 --> 00:41:07.280
get 50, 60 bees and you could use it for all

00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:09.800
kinds of purposes or even inviting your friends

00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:12.280
and family over and get a little sting fest going.

00:41:13.539 --> 00:41:17.139
Most people don't think that sounds fun. It's

00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:22.130
a lot of fun. All right. Last thing. When I've

00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:24.329
stung people, like, that they complain, I had

00:41:24.329 --> 00:41:28.070
a client, Boxer, one of my bee clients. Every

00:41:28.070 --> 00:41:29.889
time I'm there, this was one guy that did want

00:41:29.889 --> 00:41:31.789
to come out occasionally and check out the bees.

00:41:32.110 --> 00:41:34.170
Always complaining about his shoulder, his shoulder.

00:41:34.190 --> 00:41:35.809
And I kept telling him, you gotta sting it, you

00:41:35.809 --> 00:41:38.070
gotta sting it. He did not want to get stung.

00:41:38.489 --> 00:41:40.809
I'm tired of hearing this complaint every time

00:41:40.809 --> 00:41:43.309
I see this guy. It's the same thing. So I just

00:41:43.309 --> 00:41:45.389
kind of lifted up a shirt, took a bee, stung

00:41:45.389 --> 00:41:49.690
him. And I was like... hoping we were still friends

00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:51.789
i did tell him take off his wedding ring and

00:41:51.789 --> 00:41:53.989
he was like why and i said well in case your

00:41:53.989 --> 00:41:56.409
arm swells it might be a good idea take it off

00:41:56.409 --> 00:41:58.650
he called me that night he said i have to thank

00:41:58.650 --> 00:42:00.969
you. I'm like, all right, so we're still friends.

00:42:00.969 --> 00:42:03.050
That's good. And he said, first of all, thank

00:42:03.050 --> 00:42:04.710
you for telling me to take my wedding ring off

00:42:04.710 --> 00:42:06.849
because my whole arm swelled. I was like, OK.

00:42:07.230 --> 00:42:10.190
And he said, and the pain is like 85 % gone.

00:42:10.409 --> 00:42:13.730
And he was just amazed. I've heard this multiple

00:42:13.730 --> 00:42:16.369
times, one sting. People can sleep through the

00:42:16.369 --> 00:42:19.050
night after not having slept for a very long

00:42:19.050 --> 00:42:23.170
time. So it's alleged to be 100 times more potent

00:42:23.170 --> 00:42:25.769
as a bee venom is about 100 times more potent

00:42:25.769 --> 00:42:28.750
as an anti -inflammatory than a shot of cortisone.

00:42:28.650 --> 00:42:31.769
Cortisone is poison. You can only get it three

00:42:31.769 --> 00:42:34.650
times in a specific joint. Whereas bee venom,

00:42:34.670 --> 00:42:38.630
it doesn't harm much. It heals, so there's so

00:42:38.630 --> 00:42:41.710
much to it. I'm a big believer. I've used it

00:42:41.710 --> 00:42:45.769
for all kinds of things myself. It's funny. My

00:42:45.769 --> 00:42:50.010
brain has a hard time going, it's a super strong

00:42:50.010 --> 00:42:53.369
anti -inflammatory if it makes me swell. It just

00:42:53.369 --> 00:42:56.030
seems counterintuitive, but there's a lot of

00:42:56.030 --> 00:42:58.429
science behind that. Yeah. It's amazing. It's

00:42:58.429 --> 00:43:01.110
been years since, since, since, since history

00:43:01.110 --> 00:43:03.809
has been written. The ancient Greek texts, the

00:43:03.809 --> 00:43:06.769
ancient Romans, Egyptians, you name it, China,

00:43:07.030 --> 00:43:09.210
they've all done it. The other countries have

00:43:09.210 --> 00:43:12.869
been happily pursuing AP therapy. There's whole

00:43:12.869 --> 00:43:15.889
institutes devoted to it. It's just here. It's

00:43:15.889 --> 00:43:18.550
the big farm doesn't want, you know, they cannot

00:43:18.550 --> 00:43:21.190
recreate it in a lab. They can't hire us with

00:43:21.190 --> 00:43:24.809
our expertise. So they make it illegal and it

00:43:24.809 --> 00:43:27.030
cures people. So. All right, I'm going to give

00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:30.849
you the last word. If there's any favorite tip

00:43:30.849 --> 00:43:33.349
or advice out there that you have that we haven't

00:43:33.349 --> 00:43:36.670
covered yet, hit us with it now. I would say

00:43:36.670 --> 00:43:39.670
to listen to the bees. And it seems it's a silly,

00:43:39.889 --> 00:43:42.510
simple thing to say. But here's a good example.

00:43:42.769 --> 00:43:45.849
If you've got this upper entrance that you've

00:43:45.849 --> 00:43:48.150
put on the bees and event and whatever it is,

00:43:48.210 --> 00:43:51.199
and the bees propolize it shut. Then you go and

00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.559
you open it up and then the bees propel eyes

00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.179
it shut you should listen to the bees They know

00:43:56.179 --> 00:43:59.239
they are the foremost experts in the world on

00:43:59.239 --> 00:44:02.579
beekeeping and AP culture and even AP therapy

00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:06.000
if we just listen to them, you know and observe

00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.000
them and what are they what are they trying to

00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.159
tell us and Another thing, you know, sometimes

00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:12.599
people like all my bees are so hot I'm gonna

00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.260
I'm gonna kill his colony. It's hot hive and

00:44:15.260 --> 00:44:18.880
my first questions are Are they well fed and

00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:21.909
are they sick? and then they have no mites and

00:44:21.909 --> 00:44:24.389
they've got plenty of food, I would then ask,

00:44:24.389 --> 00:44:26.090
you know, is there something disrupting them?

00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:27.710
Is there something coming at night? Are their

00:44:27.710 --> 00:44:29.929
boys throwing rocks? You know, what is it? Let's

00:44:29.929 --> 00:44:33.989
not go blame the bees immediately for their demeanor.

00:44:34.010 --> 00:44:36.750
Let's first check it out and see what's going

00:44:36.750 --> 00:44:39.269
on with them. And sometimes even the weather

00:44:39.269 --> 00:44:42.489
can change their demeanor. Exactly. Absolutely.

00:44:43.210 --> 00:44:45.769
Yeah, one day nice, the next day not so nice.

00:44:46.369 --> 00:44:49.050
Yeah. All right. Deb, thank you so very much.

00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:53.320
I appreciate you coming back on with me and we're

00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.099
gonna have to do it again down the road because

00:44:55.099 --> 00:44:56.960
there's so much more that we could talk about.

00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:02.840
My pleasure. Thank you so much. Thanks again

00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:05.480
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